Chen G. 3,949 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 True. Lets wait and see what it is and how its used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,660 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 12 minutes ago, Romão said: A theme for the TV show is not necessarily a character theme Well, unless the show is literally called the main character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,478 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Hedji said: I am not sure what to expect... I hope John surprises us. Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WampaRat 1,105 Posted February 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2022 The first 8 seconds of “Tales of a Jedi Knight” manages to jam so much mystery, wonder, and melancholy in just a few bars. It’s astounding. I’d love for this little descending/ascending phrase to pop up again 😊 Andy, Taikomochi, Cerebral Cortex and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 17 minutes ago, Tom said: Well, unless the show is literally called the main character. The main theme from the Harry Potter series is not a theme for Harry Potter himself Sandor and TheUlyssesian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 47 minutes ago, Jay said: I am kind of surprised Variety still hasn't fixed that typo 16 hours later *those typos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Wouldn't it be fun if Williams wrote a villain theme for the Inquisitors? I assume they'll turn up at some point, hunting down the remaining Jedi for the Empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 13 minutes ago, Romão said: The main theme from the Harry Potter series is not a theme for Harry Potter himself Well, Harry Potter isn't exactly leitmotivic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 5 hours ago, crocodile said: Wouldn't it be lovely if William Ross did this? Karol I'm not sure, I never heard anything solo from Ross that would make me excited for an entire score composed by him. But I'll be happy to be pleasantly surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,367 Posted February 18, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2022 Here's an example of William Ross's composing chops DarthDementous, GerateWohl and Fabulin 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted February 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2022 That single piece and williams themes means he could compose a great score for the show. Jay, Fabulin and MrJosh 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,394 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 52 minutes ago, WampaRat said: The first 8 seconds of “Tales of a Jedi Knight” manages to jam so much mystery, wonder, and melancholy in just a few bars. It’s astounding. I’d love for this little descending/ascending phrase to pop up again 😊 Kevin Kiner took that motif and ran with it in Rebels. He repurposed it to use it as "Somethings going on, but I don't really know what the Force is." Gave me chills every single time. Mattris and WampaRat 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,660 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 47 minutes ago, Romão said: The main theme from the Harry Potter series is not a theme for Harry Potter himself Obviously it is possible the Obi theme will not be for the titular character, but I would say even a conservative probability estimate would put it at 95% chance that it will be. However, just like with Solo, his piece might have more than one theme to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 30 minutes ago, Edmilson said: I'm not sure, I never heard anything solo from Ross that would make me excited for an entire score composed by him. But I'll be happy to be pleasantly surprised. At the very least he would be someone intimately familiar with Williams' musical language. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Just now, Tom said: However, just like with Solo, his piece might have more than one theme to it. Also true. When will we know, though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Tom said: Obviously it is possible the Obi theme will not be for the titular character, but I would say even a conservative probability estimate would put it at 95% chance that it will be. However, just like with Solo, his piece might have more than one theme to it. I agree that is a very likely scenario. But it could be a sort of theme for "a character in a particular setting" kind of thing, like Luke's exile theme, or young Han Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Middle-age Obi Wan theme? Ok, so Han Solo never had a theme...and he created one for the standalone movie. But obi wan had a theme from day 1, he has to use it at least to form the new theme.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Luke Skywalker said: But obi wan had a theme from day 1 Obi Wan didn't. Old Ben did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Just now, Chen G. said: Obi Wan didn't. Old Ben did. And middle aged Ben? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WampaRat 1,105 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 8 minutes ago, Tallguy said: Kevin Kiner took that motif and ran with it in Rebels. He repurposed it to use it as "Somethings going on, but I don't really know what the Force is." Gave me chills every single time. Oh cool! Never got into rebels. But glad that Kiner used that motif. Very cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Chen G. said: Well, Harry Potter isn't exactly leitmotivic... It may not be *strictly* leitmotivic, but that doesn't mean it's not leitmotivic at all. Several important entities in the first film have clear themes applying specifically to them or their characteristics. The two main characters even have two each, representing different aspects of their personalities. igger6 and Romão 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: Several important entities in the first film have clear themes applying specifically to them or their characteristics. Leitmotives change. The themes in Potter do not. Its closer to Lohengrin than to the Ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 894 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 31 minutes ago, Tallguy said: Kevin Kiner took that motif and ran with it in Rebels. He repurposed it to use it as "Somethings going on, but I don't really know what the Force is." Gave me chills every single time. Someone needs to re-record the entire Clone Wars and Rebels scores with a proper orchestra so I can judge them properly. I don’t have the requisite imagination to translate that portable-cassette-player-quality sound to what was in Kiner’s head when he wrote them. It’s one of the greatest tragedies in Star Wars scoring, IMHO. Andy and DarthDementous 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Look at this deceitful headline. The media these days! John Williams is scoring Star Wars: Obi-Wan Kenobi, his first TV series since 1985 https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2022/02/john-williams-to-score-star-wars-obi-wan-kenobi-his-first-tv-series-since-1985/ WampaRat and 1977 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,394 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 minute ago, TheUlyssesian said: Look at this deceitful headline. Probably not deceitful. Just stupid. Mattris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 16 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Leitmotives change. Change what? Williams constantly changes his Potter themes in terms of orchestration and accompaniment, sometimes rhythm, sometimes harmony. There surely are varying definitions of "leitmotif". Most I can find online quickly are much less specific than mine here, and none of those are as strict as yours. I always get the feeling that you insist on one super-specific definition and instance of a technique and refuse to acknowledge anything that slightly deviates from it. oierem and Mattris 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 32 minutes ago, Tallguy said: Probably not deceitful. Just stupid. He implies Williams is scoring the entire series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 1977 1,743 Posted February 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2022 Some hilarious Williams-related comments from Dark Horizons: "btw, if you're interested, listen to Gustav Holst's "The Planets", which he wrote between 1914 and 1917. let's just say Williams took a lot of "inspiration" from that especially check out "Mars, the Bringer of War". there are parts in there that are virtually identical to the STAR WARS score." Wut? "I can easily tell a John Williams score. (Though I will admit the resemblances between the Star Wars theme and Richard Corngold's theme for "Kings Row" sounds EERILY similar.)" https://www.darkhorizons.com/kenobi-gets-john-williams-jimmy-smits/ crumbs, Fabulin, Edmilson and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,506 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Richard Corngold....now there's a bloke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Once 605 Posted February 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2022 This has been the most popular article on Variety all day! Nice to see that people care about Williams's involvement. crumbs, michael_grig, Cerebral Cortex and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smeltington 1,440 Posted February 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2022 That was just me and Jay refreshing the page to see if they fixed Fabermans. Fabulin, crumbs, Edmilson and 8 others 4 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted February 18, 2022 Author Share Posted February 18, 2022 Maybe the film has been renamed michael_grig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Lol. If it was, would you go back and edit your posts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted February 18, 2022 Author Share Posted February 18, 2022 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Good, me neither. Hmm, I wonder how Williams is spelling Fabelmans on his sketches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_grig 472 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 Although that sounds nice, I hope it won't be like this: I think Williams won't do the cheap move of just playing with the Force Theme in different keys. But seriously, it's really hard to guess what it's going to be. This raises a question for me: Was it Williams' decision to change Ben's theme into the Force theme, or the directors'? My personal feeling is that he always thought of it more as Ben's theme, but in the Sequel Trilogy it was just used for EVERYTHING that was supposed to be epic in some way. Has he accepted this now or will he relate it more to Ben again? Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smeltington 1,440 Posted February 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2022 I hope it's like the Solo theme, and he writes something brand new. Given that the Solo theme had lots of different little sections for Powell to use liberally throughout the score, it would make sense that he would want to lean more into writing new material for Kenobi, so the main composer would have something to work with, rather than just handing them some new arrangements of old themes. I would think he'd have that need in mind. And I hope we get some hint of the regal/religioso feel of much of his other music that has to do with the Force and the Jedi, including Jedi Steps. I love hearing him in that mode. It'll probably depend on the tone of the show as well, which may call for an adventurous feel if it's typical Star Wars. michael_grig, Not Mr. Big, Once and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,692 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 2 hours ago, JTWfan77 said: Some hilarious Williams-related comments from Dark Horizons: "I can easily tell a John Williams score. (Though I will admit the resemblances between the Star Wars theme and Richard Corngold's theme for "Kings Row" sounds EERILY similar.)" I'd never heard Korngold's theme before but it definitely has a resemblance. Although I realised you may also be referring to his misspelling of Erich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Edmilson 7,457 Posted February 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2022 How come you guys never heard of the great composer Richard Corngold? He wrote wonderful scores for such classic movies like Dial M for Murderousness, Calling All Quakers, The Erotic Adventures of Hercules and Today We Kill, Tomorrow We Die, all of them starring his best friend, renowed actor Troy McLure? Richard Penna, Once, Tom Guernsey and 9 others 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Once 605 Posted February 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Edmilson said: How come you guys never heard of the great composer Richard Corngold? He wrote wonderful scores for such classic movies like Dial M for Murderousness, Calling All Quakers, The Erotic Adventures of Hercules and Today We Kill, Tomorrow We Die, all of them starring his best friend, renowed actor Troy McLure? Haha, I read it in Phil Hartman's voice! "You might remember his scores from such classic movies like..." Brando, Edmilson and Mattris 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,660 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 15 hours ago, Cerebral Cortex said: Hmm, a theme for Obi-Wan, huh? Okay, um, let's see here... George had me shelve that theme for him back in '98. Damn, it's got to be here somewhere. Think, Johnny, think!" Oh man, that sad face. Perfect. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew 590 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 12 hours ago, igger6 said: Someone needs to re-record the entire Clone Wars and Rebels scores with a proper orchestra so I can judge them properly. I don’t have the requisite imagination to translate that portable-cassette-player-quality sound to what was in Kiner’s head when he wrote them. It’s one of the greatest tragedies in Star Wars scoring, IMHO. Don't ask Kiner to do it. He purposely put the mockup of the cue "Battle of Yerbana" on the Clone Wars 7.3 album while the show used the recorded orchestral version. A Lucasfilm rep said Kiner did this to add "something special" to the soundtrack or some crap. Mattris, Tydirium, crumbs and 1 other 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Drew said: Don't ask Kiner to do it. He purposely put the mockup of the cue "Battle of Yerbana" on the Clone Wars 7.3 album while the show used the recorded orchestral version. A Lucasfilm rep said Kiner did this to add "something special" to the soundtrack or some crap. Yep, I still for the life of me can't understand the rationale behind that... It's interesting too, because the cue wasn't even by Kiner, but rather David G. Russell. One of the best cues of the whole show, as far as I'm concerned. I wonder what the orchestra musicians think of the fact that evidently Kiner thinks a mockup sounds better than them? Drew and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,513 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 4 hours ago, Tydirium said: I wonder what the orchestra musicians think of the fact that evidently Kiner thinks a mockup sounds better than them? "it was just a gig" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chen G. 3,949 Posted February 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 19, 2022 18 hours ago, Michael G. said: Was it Williams' decision to change Ben's theme into the Force theme, or the directors'? My personal feeling is that he always thought of it more as Ben's theme, Williams'. In the 1977 Star Wars Liner Notes he associates the themes of the opening credits with Luke Skywalker, and the theme in question with Old Ben; it makes sense, too: the feeling of the theme is much more appropriate to an old recluse than to the Force itself, per se. Obviously its also associated with the Force, but its primary association is clearly with Old Ben. However, already by the liner notes of The Empire Strikes Back, they become the "Star Wars theme" and "Force theme", respectivelly. Then, years later, the Rebel fanfare (which in the 1977 liners is referred to as the rebel spaceship fanfare -i.e. for the Blockade Runner) became the theme of the Falcon: I think Williams had confused the Falcon and the Blockade Runner from the beginning, since the design for the one got swapped for the other. But then, isn't that what leitmotives do? They change their musical form but they also change their association to some extent. A few examples: This theme from the Ring cycle ("Rheingold! Rheingold! Leuchtende Lust!") we associate with the magic gold. But in the third act of Siegfried what's that we hear? Its the same theme (attached to the theme of the forest bird) with no allusion to the gold (except the tenuous connection of the Ring itself), and from here on out we often hear it that way: more as a general "joy" feeling than as anything to do specifically with the gold. The same is true of the theme associated with the magic helmet. Well, if its associated with the Tarnhelm, the hell it's doing here? or here? or here? or here? Its become more of a general "magic" or "deception" idea. That’s why I keep stressing the dynamic aspect of the leitmotiv: that’s really the point; and the motives in Star Wars definitely do change, musically and dramatically. Cerebral Cortex, Yannick and WampaRat 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattris 416 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 The meaning of the motifs in Star Wars depends on one's interpretation... or point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 15 minutes ago, Mattris said: The meaning of the motifs in Star Wars depends on one's interpretation... or point of view. Mattris and BB-8 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew 590 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 5 hours ago, Fabulin said: "it was just a gig" That's always the excuse made by composers in justifying their rationale for making something bad on purpose. Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,660 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 21 minutes ago, Drew said: That's always the excuse made by composers in justifying their rationale for making something bad on purpose. My life is a gig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yannick 40 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 On 18/02/2022 at 4:28 PM, Michael G. said: Was it Williams' decision to change Ben's theme into the Force theme, or the directors'? I think it was a complex process and not deliberated. Lucas's decision to introduce that theme for the Binary Sunset was based basically in something like "Ok, this sounds good. Let's put that music in this scene, instead of this dark and misterious theme Johnny composed". And that was the pivotal point for a new interpretation of the theme. If I'm not wrong, Williams refered to that theme as "Ben Kenobi's theme" for a long time even when it was known as the Force them, but that was a long time ago and now he also talk about it as the Force theme too. I don't know if it's because director decisions in the sequel trilogy, but you can notice the Force theme is literally all over the place in the last three films. It's so prominent that it feels like the "new" Star Wars theme instead the known fanfarre. Music themes always changes it significance over time. Mattris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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