publicist 4,643 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 13 hours ago, Bellosh said: Most underrated: Saving Private Ryan. I think it's a perfect score. In a 'Most Boring Solemn Americana Score ever' contest, no doubt (though that's a crowded field). 'The River' is a nice, 'populist' ( in the best sense) score that i think isn't much-liked becasue the usual Williams fan considers it too pop-infested. But in a time when Williams' music started to become rather boring after the turbulent 70's, it was a good throwback. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamsStarShip2282 308 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 1 hour ago, publicist said: In a 'Most Boring Solemn Americana Score ever' contest, no doubt (though that's a crowded field). Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 45 minutes ago, WilliamsStarShip2282 said: Seriously? I hardly moves, and what moves are just old, clichéd americana gestures right out of Copland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamsStarShip2282 308 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 2 hours ago, publicist said: I hardly moves, and what moves are just old, clichéd americana gestures right out of Copland. Which Copland piece? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,049 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 8 hours ago, Holko said: I even prefer the shorter Montage! With some bits like cues in The Fury I feel like the longer album versions are fuller compositions, but something like Montage I think is perfect as is and Promenade feels artificially dragged out to me. I can appreciate that. I felt the same way about that cue for a long time. But the album version has grown on me to the point where sometimes—not always—that's the version I want to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 3 hours ago, WilliamsStarShip2282 said: Which Copland piece? You might try the Third Symphony (Molto moderato) or the Lincoln Portrait. Or if that's too classical, you might find this piece by another genuinly american fellow comfortably - or uncomfortably - close to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 Underrated: Sleepers. Quite unique in Williams' ouvre Overrated: Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone. Now, before some of you bring the pitchforks, let me explain. I love the score. I just don't think it is particularly unique in the overall Williams' career and is written in an idiom in which he reached greater heights with other scores, and therefore I can't never rank it amongst his great works michael_grig, Taikomochi and GerateWohl 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,154 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 Underrated: The Man Who Loved Cat Dancing This one rarely gets so much as a mention. It’s worth more than that. A very nice example of Williams’s ability to write a catchy pop melody for which a song could be adapted. And this was a quickly scored replacement that is very listenable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BB-8 3,497 Posted October 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2022 underrated: BfG, Jaws 2 overrated: Schindler's, Private Ryan GerateWohl, Tom and Taikomochi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GerateWohl 4,403 Posted October 31, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2022 52 minutes ago, BB-8 said: underrated: BfG, Jaws 2 overrated: Schindler's, Private Ryan Reading that I thought, that probably scores of good or at least Impressive movies tend to get overrated, scores of mediocre or bad movies tend to get underrated. Would make sense. Of course there are exceptions on both sides. Andy, ThePenitentMan1 and BB-8 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 If anything SPR is underrated, especially by the people who think a score without action setpieces is inherently less compelling. Joni Wiljami and MrJosh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GerateWohl 4,403 Posted October 31, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2022 31 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: If anything SPR is underrated, especially by the people who think a score without action setpieces is inherently less compelling. I would disagree, especially comparing it with Lincoln, which follows stylistically the same pastoral americana musical idiom but is a comparably rich score with a high number of great themes, while SPR is, compared to its praise by many fans and its single highlight "Hymn to the Fallen" is rated exactly where it belongs. But to everyone their own. In this discussion there is no right or wrong. MaxTheHouseelf, Andy, enderdrag64 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: its single highlight "Hymn to the Fallen" Seriously? You think that's the only highlight? "Omaha Beach" is all-time classic cue! Very few expansions have deepened my love for a Williams score as much being able to make the C&C playlist from the LLL edition has for SPR. WilliamsStarShip2282 and MaxMovieMan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,591 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 Underrated? Probably IMAGES. It's the Marmite of JW scores. Overrated? Unpopular opinion, but... SCHINDLER'S LIST. WilliamsStarShip2282 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,439 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 4 hours ago, GerateWohl said: I would disagree, especially comparing it with Lincoln, which follows stylistically the same pastoral americana musical idiom but is a comparably rich score with a high number of great themes, while SPR is, compared to its praise by many fans and its single highlight "Hymn to the Fallen" is rated exactly where it belongs. But to everyone their own. In this discussion there is no right or wrong. two completely different movies though. regardless of the americana comparison. SPR doesn't need many scenes scored for obvious reasons. therefore losing a lot of the types of cues you may enjoy. I will say most of the score outside of Hymn to the Fallen and the Omaha Beach motifs do feel like underscore. But I enjoy those underscore moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,434 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 Underrated: The Fury and Dracula (and perhaps Memoirs of a Geisha) Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 I think Dracula gained a whole new level appreciation after release of the complete score. I know it did for me Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,497 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 To me, A.I. (film and score) always felt underrated - overridden by the events around 9/11, though it remaims a timeless masterpiece. BfG was released in summer in Europe, wasn't a block buster, but it represented a seminal contribution to the Spielberg/Williams fairy tale genre. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eitam 364 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 Since we're talking personal preferences... Overrated : Jurassic Park. The main theme is great obviously, and Dennis Steals the Embryo is fun, but the rest is noisy action or soporific underscore. Underrated : Schindler's List. Every single cue on the OST has its highlights, and some have the most beautiful music written by Williams. I'll never understand why some think it's the least deserving of his oscar wins ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamsStarShip2282 308 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Its interesting seeing everyone's opinion here, which is honestly surprising. ConorPower 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 593 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Every score is underrated because they are all little masterworks. WilliamsStarShip2282 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince 34 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 I adore Nixon and War of the Worlds, but I don't hear them referenced to very often, so I'd rank those among his underrated scores. Overrated? I'd probably go with Home Alone; that one might be a bit too saccharine for my taste. GerateWohl and Taikomochi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Any work that derives from the classic Williams formula tends to be underrated and every score that applies that formula, but with no depth and a lack of originality, is potentially overrated. At gunpoint, my two picks would be: Underrated: Rosewood Overrated: Far and Away Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Underrated: Angela's Ashes It's one that I instantly loved when I got the CD when it first came out. The theme has a sadness and beauty to it and only the last cue of the film before the end credits does the score have a sense of hope and uplift to it. GerateWohl and ragoz350 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragoz350 453 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 About the underrated... When I first listened to Sleepers OST, I was surprised that it wasn't talked about very much. It's unusual combination of subtle writing with sometimes heavy synths. Not that I'm ready to listen to the whole album often, although Hell's Kitchen is, for me, one of JW's best concert arrangements. Romão and MrJosh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,679 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 12 hours ago, Steve said: Every score is underrated because they are all little masterworks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Confidence level 75% Note Something being overrated or highly overrated doesn't entail one doesn't love it, right, as clearly some popular Williams scores that are overrated are still amazing. Therefore, scores in the same category of "overratedness" are not equally good, in fact they're just as varied as any other scores. With this being clear, these are my personal tiers, subjective to me. Highly Overrated (---) Born on the Fourth of July The Lost World Saving Private Ryan 1941 Overrated (--) Jaws Saga Far and Away Seven Years in Tibet Catch Me If You Can Slightly Overrated (-) Schindler's List Close Encounters of the Third Kind Jurassic Park Hook Empire of the Sun Finely rated (0) Star Wars Saga Indiana Jones Saga Memoirs of a Geisha Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban The Cowboys Slightly Underrated (+) E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial Superman Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone Stepmom Amistad Underrated (++) Sabrina Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets A.I. Artificial Intelligence Always The Towering Inferno Highly Underrated (+++) Home Alone 2 The Patriot Angela's Ashes The Accidental Tourist The Terminal Conclusion Since my confidence is 75%, I'd be open for suggestions as to what I should reevaluate or put in. GerateWohl and MrJosh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schilkeman 969 Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 Underrated: Tintin (underrated film as well). I also can’t praise The BFG highly enough. It’s amazing Overrated: PoA. It’s disjointed and fragmentary (I still like it plenty, though). Schindler’s List. The traumatic experience of watching the film gives the music more weight than actually exists. It’s perfect for the film, but by itself, I find it dull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,406 Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 I know we're all BFOAAA around here (Big Fans of Abbreviations and Acronyms) but it took me a bit to figure out that PoA was Prisoner of Azkaban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schilkeman 969 Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Tallguy said: I know we're all BFOAAA around here (Big Fans of Abbreviations and Acronyms) but it took me a bit to figure out that PoA was Prisoner of Azkaban. Yes, that underrated JW score to Piece of Ass. Truly a masterpiece artguy360 and Naïve Old Fart 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,644 Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 Superman Hook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,417 Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Tallguy said: I know we're all BFOAAA around here (Big Fans of Abbreviations and Acronyms) but it took me a bit to figure out that PoA was Prisoner of Azkaban. Prisoner of Azkaban, Planet Of the Apes, Pieces Of April, the Passion of Anna, a Place for Annie, a Piece Of the Action... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,591 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 HARRY POTTER AND THE PIECE OF ASS. I'd pay serious money, to see that Damien F and MrJosh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GerateWohl 4,403 Posted November 18, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 18, 2022 28 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: HARRY POTTER AND THE PIECE OF ASS. I'd pay serious money, to see that If there would still be video libraries, I am quite confident, that you would find it there in the adult section. Naïve Old Fart, MrJosh and Martinland 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MaxMovieMan 284 Posted November 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 18, 2022 Overrated for me has to be Catch Me If You Can. I’m just not a big fan of that style but there are definitely tracks on there I still love. Underrated are War of the Worlds and Nixon. I really like darker Williams and these scores exemplify that concept. Where’s the love? Taikomochi, artguy360 and MrJosh 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,591 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 43 minutes ago, MaxMovieMan said: Underrated are War of the Worlds and Nixon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Nixon is terrific. The 90's is my favorite JW decade MaxMovieMan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,679 Posted November 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 19, 2022 Nixon is underrated. I would not call it dark, as I would tragic. I think it is the most operatic score of Williams's output. And, damn, those tragic brass chords throughout. MaxMovieMan, Martinland and Naïve Old Fart 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,591 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 "...operatic..."? I'd go for DRACULA, on that score (no pun intended ). NIXON is brilliant, though. "The Miami Convention" is an absolute stunner! When I saw this at the cinema, I was conducting along. I'm sure the people around me thought I was mental, but I didn't care. NIXON is a brilliant piece of work. Romão 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,353 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 The most overrated JW score for me has to be Jurassic Park. Never liked it. I mean: La la Laaaa ... La la laaaa ... La la Laaaa ... Really? filmmusic and Joni Wiljami 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 Yes. Originally there was a choir in the main theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,403 Posted November 19, 2022 Author Share Posted November 19, 2022 1 hour ago, AC1 said: The most overrated JW score for me has to be Jurassic Park. Never liked it. I mean: La la Laaaa ... La la laaaa ... La la Laaaa ... Really? Yeah. I guess, that is rather a thing for those who were born in the 80s. I mean, the score in brillant and in combination with the movie it is really a blast. But for those who followed Williams already through the late 70s and 80s it was more or less just another great score of its kind and not that extraordinary, I would say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Damien F 1,742 Posted November 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 19, 2022 I definitely can't agree with The Lost World as one of the most overrated. I have a few of its tracks on my gym playlist so I listen to them regularly and I never tire of it. For example, from 5:55 in 'Visitor in San Diego' is absolute gold from an orchestration standpoint : the jungle percussion, the rapid horn blasts, the four note island motif, the low string glissandi becoming more pronounced as the track reaches its conclusion, and a few boom-tishes thrown in too. It is a very rewarding listening experience. GerateWohl, Andy, filmmusic and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 Underrated 1. The Reivers 2. Tintin 3. Sabrina 4. Hook 5. Far And Away 6. Home Alone 7. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone 8. The Post 9. The Cowboys 10. The Fabelmans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 That could almost be my Overrated list. TheUlyssesian and Martinland 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,353 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 The Fabelmans at 10? Is this a prediction that people won't like it? I doubt that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom Guernsey 2,290 Posted November 19, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 19, 2022 Underrated.... Heidi. Absolutely lovely early TV score, with a cracking main theme. Overrated... pass. Anything I might consider overrated would likely be due to over-saturation than being genuinely overrated. Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Naïve Old Fart and Martinland 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 The Fabelmans is currently underrated but will become overrated the instant it wins John Oscar #6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,353 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 Ok, I finally listened to The Fabelmans (on Amazon Music) and thought it was short and underwhelming. Maybe it needs a couple more spins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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