After reading this, who still thinks 'Dial of Destiny' will be Williams' last score?

[Ricard 2,245]

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“You can’t say no to Steven. I promised myself it would be my last score, but he’s already talking to me about a new film and a graphic novel, we’ll see. The reality is that I don’t know if quitting is a good idea: I still love to write and I don’t listen to much music because I prefer to concentrate on the ideas I get for the films”.

 

Original article (in Italian):

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[Matt S. 493]

Spielberg talks all the time about potential projects.  John is less than two months away from age 91; any "potential" project is a year, maybe even two years away from the scoring stage.  Never say never, but if he doesn't have anything definite lined up at this point, I don't see it happening.

[Not Mr. Big 4,640]

A graphic novel?

[mrbellamy 6,293]

Eh. In the New York Times article this year where he first let the cat out of the bag, we all kinda overlooked that Williams said it was hard to say no to Spielberg, and that Spielberg himself was also quoted saying he felt pretty secure. 

 

I still think if Spielberg decided to do Blackhawk or revived Robopocalypse or some expensive spectacle like that, I'd put less than 50% odds on Williams doing it even if he lives to 100. There's too much truth in him musing that six months is a lot of life at his age. But if Spielberg pulled The Post redux and suddenly cranked out another drama next Christmas that required the kind of score he could do in a few weeks, sure, I think he's in.

 

The Bullitt movie, that could go either way. I could see Spielberg going for a minimal action style, raw car chase sound design that wouldn't require much complicated scoring. It's probably the most generous thing he could do at this point if he wants Williams onboard. He's been trending more that way as a director anyway. 

[JTN 2,047]

John Williams will never retire. 

[Bellosh 3,419]

I gotta get used to seeing 'DoD' written here.

[Ricard 2,245]

He briefly mentions the possibility of scoring more films for Spielberg at the end of this video (still somehow intelligible beneath the voice-over)

 

1:12 - end.

[pete 907]

27 minutes ago, Bellosh said:

I gotta get used to seeing 'DoD' written here.

 

I have to admit abbreviating every movie title is one of my pet hates. There, I said it. "DoD" does have a nice military ring to it though!

[Tom 4,673]

1 hour ago, pete said:

 

I have to admit abbreviating every movie title is one of my pet hates. There, I said it. "DoD" does have a nice military ring to it though!

How does your mind handle ET?  

[pete 907]

32 minutes ago, Tom said:

How does your mind handle ET?  

Pretty easily as that's the first part of the movie's name and what it's commonly refered as. What annoys me is abbreviations should be well known, and most movies simply aren't known by abbrevations of their titles, such as: JTTCOTE and ONIM. 

 

Not the end of the world, I just don't see what's hard about typing the name of the movie, or in this case: Indy 5. Sure, DoD is understandable from the context of the thread title, but I still think it's just lazy and not everyone will initially know it. Casual visitors years from now. There, I said it again!

 

But back on topic, given good health and if Spielberg has projects ready to score in the not too distant future, I think Williams will be on board. He may relish the chance after a break perhaps from film scoring. Although since he's still working on Indy 5, he hasn't had such a break yet. 

[Tom 4,673]

If in good health, I could see him being involved in Rian Johnson's new trilogy, whether wholesale or in some themes.  

[Brando 1,864]

29 minutes ago, pete said:

Although since he's still working on Indy 5, he hasn't had such a break yet. 

Dial of Destiny's score was finished recording back in October. Unless he was asked to do some revisions, but we were told it was finished.

[pete 907]

I thought so too, but he said at the Milan concert that he has a little more work to do on it.

[Brando 1,864]

1 minute ago, pete said:

I thought so too, but he said at the Milan concert that he has a little more work to do on it.

Oh really? That I didn't know. Must be new news. I wonder if there's video of it anywhere.

[Ricard 2,245]

1 hour ago, pete said:

I just don't see what's hard about typing the name of the movie, or in this case: Indy 5. Sure, DoD is understandable from the context of the thread title, but I still think it's just lazy and not everyone will initially know it. Casual visitors years from now. There, I said it again!

 

Makes sense!

[King Mark 3,631]

well from the quote he sure seems interested in scoring projects again if it's Spielberg . I guess he'll keep scoring movies until he's on his death bed

 

And who knows this opens the door to the odd SW theme 

[Tom 4,673]

2 hours ago, pete said:

 Casual visitors years from now. There, I said it again!

 

Such people will have to exercise their archeological skills and search for fact, not truth.  If it's truth they are interested in, Jeff Eldridge's John Williams's site is just a click away.  

[artguy360 1,844]

Honestly, I don't think JW is the type to retire. He's more like Hayao Miyazaki. Driven to keep working.

[mrbellamy 6,293]

Retirement from movies was the only thing ever in question, anyway. We've always known he would keep writing music. But the Miyazaki comparison is apt, or Daniel Day-Lewis but he seems serious this time. 

 

I feel like these kinds of guys are so obsessed and compelled to do it that maybe they feel like if they force the issue and announce retirement then they'll have no choice but to take a break and then they realize they can't help themselves. Like people who announce they're leaving a message board and then come back a week later. 

[artguy360 1,844]

3 minutes ago, mrbellamy said:

Retirement from movies was the only thing ever in question, anyway. We've always known he would keep writing music. But the Miyazaki comparison is apt, or Daniel Day-Lewis but he seems serious this time. 

 

I feel like these kinds of guys are so obsessed and compelled to do it that maybe they feel like if they force the issue and announce retirement then they'll have no choice but to take a break and then they realize they can't help themselves. Like people who announce they're leaving a message board and then come back a week later. 

Unlike Miyazaki and Day-Lewis, at least JW has never declared his retirement only to unretire multiple times.

[GerateWohl 4,373]

I don't see Williams spending half a year of his life alone on a movie score.

But why not have a collaboration with Bill Ross like on Harry Potter 2?

[Thor 7,521]

I don't know. I consider it his last, and take anything else that might come as a bonus.

[mrbellamy 6,293]

I've had that mentality since at least Force Awakens. 

[Tom 4,673]

Obviously all is dependent on health, but I think in terms of his own decisions, it will come down to how much satisfaction he derives from writing concert music "full time."   At this point, I would take a piano concerto over any potential film score.  

[Not Mr. Big 4,640]

1 hour ago, mrbellamy said:

I've had that mentality since at least Force Awakens. 

I've had that mentality since Lincoln

[Jurassic Shark 12,091]

1 hour ago, Tom said:

Obviously all is dependent on health, but I think in terms of his own decisions, it will come down to how much satisfaction he derives from writing concert music "full time." 

 

And whether he decides to go pro on the court. 

[GerateWohl 4,373]

Or maybe he will just as a hobby rescore Bridge of Spies and replace Newman's nice temp score. 

[Bayesian 1,364]

Well, we know of course JW remains keen to write music. When he says he doesn't want to spend 6 months of his autumn years working on a score, I take it to mean he has no more patience for experiences like Rise of Skywalker (i.e., endless rewrites and butchering of his hard work in the final cut).

 

From that POV, Indy 5 is almost assuredly the last blockbuster score with wall-to-wall music we will see from JW. But one or two more smaller scores for Spielberg are easy to imagine.

 

 

[Tom 4,673]

3 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said:

 

And whether he decides to go pro on the court. 

I expect better.  

[Dr. Rick 1,157]

20 hours ago, Ricard said:

He briefly mentions the possibility of scoring more films for Spielberg at the end of this video (still somehow intelligible beneath the voice-over)

 

1:12 - end.

 

At the very end he does mention in regards to SS:  "One thing he is not, is a man you can say no to".  This line will live forever right up there with "I know, but they're all dead!"  LOL

[Brundlefly 2,385]

41 minutes ago, Bayesian said:

Well, we know of course JW remains keen to write music. When he says he doesn't want to spend 6 months of his autumn years working on a score, I take it to mean he has no more patience for experiences like Rise of Skywalker (i.e., endless rewrites and butchering of his hard work in the final cut).

 

From that POV, Indy 5 is almost assuredly the last blockbuster score with wall-to-wall music we will see from JW. But one or two more smaller scores for Spielberg are easy to imagine.

This!

[Jurassic Shark 12,091]

1 hour ago, Tom said:

I expect better.  

 

Tell that to his caddie!

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Does Shark think golf is played on a court?

[Jurassic Shark 12,091]

Bloody autocorrect!

[Will 2,215]

Wonderful statement! Maybe it's irrational hope, but I feel pretty confident now that we're getting at least one more JW score for a Spielberg film. Dial of Destiny is clearly his last major blockbuster score, as others have noted, but I see no reason why he wouldn't do something like The Post or The Fabelmans with fairly minimal scoring.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

I hope and think it maybe even likely that Spielberg is setting up a streak of projects after the (relatively) slow period of the last few years.

[artguy360 1,844]

I just can't wait to hear DoD! My anticipation for the action music is especially high after the overall disappointment of the action music in TROS. This is probably the last action filled score from JW.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,554]

Yes. I see no reason for JW to continue, and, imo, it's selfish to expect him to. Let the man enjoy his retirement. Goodness knows he's earned it.

[Richard Penna 3,695]

I think that if the right project or collaboration comes up and he's able, he'll do it. I don't get the impression that many composers retire in the traditional sense.

 

But I see every project from him now as the icing on a huge cake. After an incredible body of work he owes us nothing, so even if he writes 20 minutes of music for a 3 hour film, that's still 20 minutes we didn't have, instead of a missed opportunity for a box-set destined opus.

 

In summary, no, I don't think for a moment that this will be his last score.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,554]

I'd rather he retires, than die with an incompleted score.

[Yavar Moradi 2,603]

2 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

I'd rather he retires, than die with an incompleted score.

Why? I’m certainly grateful that the joyful, energetic, and creative Looney Tunes: Back in Action was Jerry Goldsmith’s final score, even though he sadly didn’t get to compose the finale of it and John Debney had to do a few inferior cues there…

 

Yavar

[Tom 4,673]

I think Spielberg is behind these Indy reshoots.  They are going to keep reshooting, just to keep Williams from retiring.  Then Spielberg can tell him, "well, you are not retired, so you might as well do my new film about my tawdry life in my 20/30s titled Close Encounters of the Fabelman Kind.  And John, you are going to need more than five notes for this."     

[Faleel 5,360]

1 hour ago, Tom said:

.  And John, you are going to need more than five notes for this."     

"But...they're all dead!"

[JAMOcl 14]

Maybe all this non retiring comes from the negociations between DC and Spielberg about Superman

Maybe he just wants to come back

[p0llux 400]

I will retire before Williams does.

[Not Mr. Big 4,640]

1 hour ago, JAMOcl said:

Maybe all this non retiring comes from the negociations between DC and Spielberg about Superman

Maybe he just wants to come back

If anything that would CAUSE him to retire 

[Stark 316]

I want there to be 30 Spielberg-JW collaborations!

[Jay 37,374]

1 hour ago, Stark said:

I want there to be 30 Spielberg-JW collaborations!

 

1. The Sugarland Express
2. Jaws
3. Close Encounters of the Third Kind
4. 1941
5. Raiders of the Lost Ark
6. E.T.
7. Temple of Doom
8. Amazing Stories
9. Empire of the Sun
10. Last Crusade
11. Always
12. Hook
13. Jurassic Park
14. Schindler's List
15. The Lost World
16. Amistad
17. Saving Private Ryan
18. The Unfinished Journey
19. A.I.
20. Minority Report
21. Catch Me If You Can
22. The Terminal
23. War of the Worlds
24. Munich
25. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
26. A Timeless Call
27. Tintin
28. War Horse
29. Lincoln
30. The BFG
31. The Post
32. The Fabelmans

[Jurassic Shark 12,091]

26 minutes ago, Stark said:

I want there to be 30 Spielberg-JW collaborations!

 

Which one would you like to delete?

[Pawel P. 738]

38 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

 

Which one would you like to delete?

 

You don't really need to delete anything. The Fabelmans is Williams and Spielberg's 29th feature film collaboration. The possible next movie will be the 30th.