Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!

[Snowster 23]

19 hours ago, Tydirium said:

Anybody else getting serious “Sabrina” vibes from tracks like “To Morocco” and “To Athens”?

Yes. I actually think it might be a bit more than vibes in only these tracks, as I feel that Helena’s theme and Sabrina share some similarities, which are are easier to spot when Helena’s theme is used in action mode with proper instrumentation and maybe even some piano solo on the top of it.

 

But keep in mind that I’m the one who keeps hearing Obi-Wan at ‘The Airport’ (0:16->). 😂

[Martinland 360]

Just my two cents:

 

Managed to experience the movie at the first evening screening yesterday, on the largest screen available.

 

It was a torn experience - amazing stuff as well as not quite expected one, couldn't get into it completely - but one thing is for sure:

 

Seeing John Williams' name on the screen and listening to the end credits was almost the best part. (except for 90% of the TukTuk chase, Helena's witty deductions on the boat, the classic Indy tomb discovery sequence and some but not most parts of the 1944 sequence, hard to explain)

 

Now I will wait for the CD and read every page of this thread. (still on page 12, as I didn't read anything prior to the screening)

 

My current feelings:

 

1. Joy of anticipation for the OST (I accept it as it is - a miracle to enjoy)

 

2. Growing melancholy (pretty much the last and longest constant in my life is about to fade away [*])

 

Just wanted to share this.

 

 

* Luckily the Commodore 64 and its scene are still READY.

[Darth Mulder 154]

Alex Williams from Music Department of Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny is related to John Williams? https://www.alexwilliamscomposer.com/

[Vince 34]

6 hours ago, Michael G. said:

Archimedes' theme is my new favorite Indy mystery theme! I love how it is featured in the prologue, it really deserves it's own concert suite! Too bad there is so little of it in the actual film!

 

I love how understated this theme is, especially considering the supposed ramifications Archimedes' mechanism has in the story. Voller's long-winded motif (the one that's similar to Boba Fett's motif from TESB) is also a highlight of the score for me. What strikes me is how melancholic this entry is. It does seem like the film's themes of aging and the passage of time really resonated with Williams. I'm really quite thankful that he chose to score this film after all. 

[JTN 2,033]

Does the last 1:10 part of “Auction at Hotel L’Atlantique” sound almost exactly like “The Adventure Continues” from The Adventures of Tintin: Secret of the Unicorn? 

[Bellosh 3,419]

apologies if this has already been talked about, but are these couple of notes the TLC Nazi motif:

 

 

 

Also is that motif in other parts of the film?

[Tydirium 1,167]

16 minutes ago, Bellosh said:

apologies if this has already been talked about, but are these couple of notes of the TLC Nazi motif:

 

 

 

Also is that motif in other parts of the film?

 

I mentioned this a few days ago! Glad someone else noticed it too!

[Bellosh 3,419]

The Airport --> Battle of Syracuse --> Centuries Join Hands

 

May be my favorite 3 cues in a row by JW in a long time

[iamleyeti 114]

I cannot get enough of The Airport. It's… what a piece… what a brilliant sound. I love it.

[Damien F 1,742]

18 minutes ago, Bellosh said:

The Airport --> Battle of Syracuse --> Centuries Join Hands

 

Maybe my favorite 3 cues in a row by JW in a long time

 

Those three tracks have everything you want to hear in a score: drama, tension, excitement, action, pathos, beauty, cool use of themes, interesting orchestration.

 

An incredible 10 minutes of music. Bravo Maestro!

[paleo 63]

I've listened to the album several times now, and I must say I like it even more now. I rarely manage to listen to complete albums, let alone repeatedly, but Williams does not disappoint. Even what I presume is Archimedes' theme really grew on me, despite it being rather understated for a MacGuffin concept.

 

My personal highlights are not the action pieces (great as they mostly are), however, but 0:11 - 0:45 in "Archimedes' Tomb" and, to a lesser extent, 0:14 - 0:50 in "The Grafikos"; I just love these myterious, suspenseful discovery cues Williams writes. Somehow none of the composers of similar movies (Tomb Raider, Uncharted, Jungle Cruise etc.) quite managed to meet my taste so far. I do hope there's a little more of this in the actual movie.

[crumbs 14,318]

1 minute ago, paleo said:

I do hope there's a little more of this in the actual movie.

 

Plenty more of it! Those two cues you mentioned condense about 20 minutes of movie into 4 minutes of music.

[paleo 63]

7 minutes ago, crumbs said:

 

Plenty more of it! Those two cues you mentioned condense about 20 minutes of movie into 4 minutes of music.

Now I can't wait (even more) :-)

[Bellosh 3,419]

jay trying to catch up to all the posts today like

 

 

[Tydirium 1,167]

I’m surprised he still hasn’t changed his profile pic to the OST album art!

[p0llux 398]

1 hour ago, paleo said:

Somehow none of the composers of similar movies (Tomb Raider, Uncharted, Jungle Cruise etc.) quite managed to meet my taste so far.

 

Okay look at ur examples here:

Tomb Raider(2018) was Junkie XL

Uncharted was Ramin Djawadi

Jungle Cruise was James Newton Howard

 

It's like the stages of human evolution. Junkie is the monkey to JNH somewhere in the middle standing more upright. You're basically moving from the simplistic RCP sound to JNH's unrefinely sophisticated orchestral sound. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[paleo 63]

True, I guess. Though I had expected more from JNH.

[Edmilson 7,466]

I was underwhelmed by the Jungle Cruise score when I first heard it, but a few months ago I gave it another chance and I really like it! It's not as good as JNH's other classic Disney scores (few things are) but it's still a lot of fun.

 

I don't know how I would compare it to Dial of Destiny though... They're different beasts.

[paleo 63]

I might watch Jungle Cruise later tonight... just to bridge the time till I can go to the movies tomorrow.

[Courtney Sees Ghosts 269]

7 hours ago, Darth Mulder said:

I want a Giacchino score for the new Indy

Still remember when he posted a picture of the staff of Ra from Raiders on his Instagram people automatically assumed he was gonna score Indiana Jones 5. Lol

Though I do wonder what a Giacchino Indy score would sound like. 

[King Mark 3,631]

wrong thread

[Bellosh 3,419]

4 hours ago, JTW said:

Does the last 1:10 part of “Auction at Hotel L’Atlantique” sound almost exactly like “The Adventure Continues” from The Adventures of Tintin: Secret of the Unicorn? 

 

1:06 of Hotel sounds like :28 of The Snake Pit from KOTCS. Sorry on mobile can't timestamp

 

 

 

[MrJosh 892]

Listening through a 2nd time. Water Ballet has some organ in it, that's pretty cool! As is the other cool percussion going on in the track. 

 

As I listen through, I can't tell whether I like the mix or not...I keep going back and forth. There's times I think the strings should sound 'bigger', and some of the percussion seems really close, but then at the same time, I hear a lot of nice clarity and detail which I like. Sometimes I want to say the brass (maybe French horns in particular) sound a little harsh, but then again other times I think the brass sounds great. Bass seems really heavy sometimes, like pizzicato bass and bass drum very strong. 

 

Overall, I want to say I like the sound of the mix better than the Star Wars sequels, but I don't know, I'll have to compare. 

[Courtney Sees Ghosts 269]

So I checked my most streamed songs of this month and...

I don't have a problem!

[TheUlyssesian 2,478]

On 28/06/2023 at 11:03 PM, TheUlyssesian said:

 

 

SOME TIMESTAMPS - 

 

 Nazi Theme 1
 

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Prologue to Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny 3:16 - 3:27

 

 

Germany, 1944 3:26 - 3:36

 

 

 

Nazi Theme 2 
 

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Prologue to Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny 1:55 - 2:29

 

 

Voller Returns 2:17 - 2:35

 

 

 

Nazi Theme 3

 

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Prologue to Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny 1:07 - 1:41

 

 

 

The Airport 1:05 - 1:25

 

 

 

Voller Theme 1
 

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Voller Returns 0:41 - 1:14

 

 

Germany, 1944 2:41 - 2:59

 

 

 

 Archimedes Theme 
 

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Prologue to Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny 4:08 - end (possible concert rendition)

 

 

Archimedes' Tomb 1:13 - 1:46

 

 

 

Dial Of Destiny Theme 1

 

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Prologue to Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny 3:43 - 4:03

 

 

Polybius Cipher 0:40 - 0:49

 

 

 

(So many bad guy themes/motifs).

 

Also there are SEVERAL other short motifs. This is a dense score. It will take crowdsourcing effort from all of us to nail all of this down.

 

 

CORRECTION TIME!

 

Voller Theme above is the Dial of Destiny Theme

 

Dial Of Destiny Theme above is Antiquity Theme / Ancient Greece Theme

 

Archimedes Theme is correct

 

This is the real Voller/Villain Theme - 1:37 in Voller Returns

 

 

 

[artguy360 1,843]

After having listened to the OST several times through but not yet having seen the film (watching tomorrow), I'd like to share overall impressions:

 

- Helena's theme is beautiful and works as a flowing golden age heroine theme and works well in more of an action mode.

 

- the bad guy themes are appropriately fun and brassy.

 

- Indy's theme is used way too sparingly. It's almost jarring when it gets a big presentation in New York, 1969.

 

- the OST lacks an emotional heart, something like the father and son theme in TLC or maybe even just more of Indy's theme played in that guise like it does in To Morocco. 

 

- And most unfortunately, the action music lacks the kick-ass tenacity that runs through the best Indy action music. There is no bad-ass, I want to listen to it on repeat action music on this OST. 

[Edmilson 7,466]

4 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said:

Dial Of Destiny Theme above is Antiquity Theme / Ancient Greece Theme

 

Interesting... indeed the theme has a Greek vibe to it thanks to the instrumentation.

 

I guess this is the closest we'll ever get of Williams scoring something related to the Ancient Greece and its myths. If only Chris Columbus asked him to score his Percy Jackson movie in 2010... 

[Jilal 569]

4 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said:

Dial Of Destiny Theme above is Antiquity Theme / Ancient Greece Theme

 

Don't you think it sounds a little too ominous and mysterious to merely depict antiquity/ancient Greece?

[pete 907]

I had a strange week. I had a lot going on in my life and one complete surprise - nothing really terrible, but was on my mind a lot.... So I just couldn't get excited about the score - or rather I couldn't really concentrate on it, which I think for me with a new Williams score is first!

 

Hence, I'm still getting to know it, and up until yesterday I didn't really have time to give it my full attention. I'm sure it'll grow on me though! Am planning to spend more time with it this weekend. and I'll be seeing the movie on Tuesday or Wednesday.

 

I like tinkering, so here's what I did to the OST. I edited into three sections the Prologue. My iTunes version starts with The Helena beginning of that piece. Helena's Theme moved to after New York 1969, which I divided into two at the obvious point.  There's not a clean gap between the Prologue's villian music and the Greek motive and the rest of the piece, but I used a bit of a fade into the Greek motive so It's something I can live with, 

 

The violin version I moved to Across The Stars where it follows Marion's Theme - or "Marion's Violin" as I renamed it. I like having all those violin arrangements in the one artificial iTunes album. 

[TheUlyssesian 2,478]

 

Corrected Theme Associations. Suggestions feedback welcome.

 

SOME TIMESTAMPS - 

 

 Nazi Spirit Theme (Potentially appears just twice in the film + once in end credits)
 

Spoiler

Germany, 1944 3:26 - 3:36

 

 

Battle of Syracuse 2:19 - end

 

 

 

Nazi Determination Theme (Most prevalent Nazi theme)
 

Spoiler

Voller Returns 2:17 - 2:35

 

 

The Airport 1:32 - 1:51

 

 

 

 

Nazi Might Theme (scores title card - first theme heard) (potentially appears only two times in the film + once in the end credits)

 

Spoiler

Prologue to Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny 1:07 - 1:41

 

 

 

The Airport 1:05 - 1:25

 

 

 

Dial Of Destiny Theme
 

Spoiler

Voller Returns 0:41 - 1:14

 

 

Germany, 1944 2:41 - 2:59

 

 

 

Dial of Destiny Piano Motif

 

Spoiler

Voller Returns 0:36 - 0:41

 

 

 

Archimedes Theme 
 

Spoiler

Prologue to Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny 4:08 - end (possible concert rendition)

 

 

Archimedes' Tomb 1:13 - 1:46

 

 

 

Antiquity Theme

 

Spoiler

Prologue to Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny 3:43 - 4:03

 

 

Polybius Cipher 0:40 - 0:49

 

 

 

Syracuse Motif

 

Spoiler

Battle of Syracuse 0:51 - 1:04

 

 

Voller Theme (absolutely butchered on album. This receives extensive airtime in the film but from the album you wouldn't realize this is the main villain theme!)

 

Spoiler

 

Voller Returns 1:37 -  2:17

 

 

 

[Jay 37,370]

Seeing the film in Atmos in a couple minutes! Can't wait to hear all the cool stuff that isn't on the OST, and get the context for what is! 

[Amer 2,110]

Absolutely LOVED IT. A far better thsn KOTCS. Phoebe nails it in every scene she is in and Harrison is just terrific. He should get an Oscar nod for this.Williams score is perfect- lovely references from Raiders and Last Crusade I think they temped a lot with existing Williams scores. The film has terrific homages which work so well. Film is well edited and the CGI Indy wasnt that bad either. Great entertainment and overall dark and serious with a lot versimilitude that was missing from the last outing.

[JTN 2,033]

My Indiana Jones score ranking:

 

1. Raiders of the Lost Ark

2. The Last Crusade

3. Temple of Doom

4. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

5. Dial of Destiny

[Tydirium 1,167]

Forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but did anyone else notice that the OST version of “To Morocco” is different from the film version?

[crumbs 14,318]

20 minutes ago, Tydirium said:

Forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but did anyone else notice that the OST version of “To Morocco” is different from the film version?

 

Yep. The film version is either cut down or an insert/shorter ending.

 

I suspect this was originally a map scene but deleted for time.

[Mr. Who 919]

Just listened to the score for the first time and I enjoyed it a lot! Helena's theme is great and even Indy's theme gets some very nice variations. To Morocco is my favorite cue of the year so far!

[Pieter Boelen 740]

17 hours ago, paleo said:

I might watch Jungle Cruise later tonight... just to bridge the time till I can go to the movies tomorrow.

It is SO FUN!

[Courtney Sees Ghosts 269]

20 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said:

 

CORRECTION TIME!

 

Voller Theme above is the Dial of Destiny Theme

 

Dial Of Destiny Theme above is Antiquity Theme / Ancient Greece Theme

 

Archimedes Theme is correct

 

This is the real Voller/Villain Theme - 1:37 in Voller Returns

 

 

 

You know what's funny to me? The theme for Voller is how I expected a General Hux theme to sound like in the Sequel Trilogy. Like John plucked music out of my imagination.

[King Mark 3,631]

I hope Williams writes a full concert version of Archimedes Theme like he did for Jedi Steps for concerts.

 

Did I already say I love Archimedes theme? Not enough times I need to bring it up every page of this thread

[Damien F 1,742]

19 minutes ago, King Mark said:

I hope Williams writes a full concert version of Archimedes Theme like he did for Jedi Steps for concerts.

 

Did I already say I love Archimedes theme? Not enough times I need to bring it up every page of this thread

 

I was thinking about Williams' comment that he had to write a new ending. That makes me wonder if the original ending had any cool or epic renditions of Archimedes Theme.

[Chewy 2,391]

48 minutes ago, King Mark said:

I hope Williams writes a full concert version of Archimedes Theme like he did for Jedi Steps for concerts.

 

Did I already say I love Archimedes theme? Not enough times I need to bring it up every page of this thread

It has grown on me a lot, the OST definitely deserved more renditions of this beautiful theme.

[Holko 9,529]

Fourth listen, I still love this!

[Dr. Know 326]

I'm really enjoying the score -- haven't seen the film yet.  I would add that my enjoyment of the album increased after making a minor adjustment: I edited together "New York, 1969," "Helena's Theme," and the latter portion of "Prologue" to recreate the end credits as heard in the film, and used that to close out the album, keeping the first portion of "Prologue" with Helena's Theme as an opener.

[Bellosh 3,419]

41 minutes ago, Dr. Know said:

I'm really enjoying the score -- haven't seen the film yet.  I would add that my enjoyment of the album increased after making a minor adjustment: I edited together "New York, 1969," "Helena's Theme," and the latter portion of "Prologue" to recreate the end credits as heard in the film, and used that to close out the album, keeping the first portion of "Prologue" with Helena's Theme as an opener.

 

Did you place New York 1969 again at the very end too?  I'd love to do something similar but I just wish we had a more subtle intro (similar to KOTCS finale) into the raiders march in the DoD sound.

 

I feel weird having an Indy end credits not end with the raiders march 😭

[Cerebral Cortex 3,357]

I'm seeing so many more people online talking about the score for this film in a positive light, even in more casual corners of the Internet. Definitely seems to me to be getting noticed and appreciated in the public sphere in a way that I never saw so immediately after release with the ST scores, so that warms the ol' heart.

[Brando 1,864]

26 minutes ago, Bellosh said:

I feel weird having an Indy end credits not end with the raiders march 😭

You’re the first person I’ve seen mention this, and I really wonder why he didn’t end the credits with the March. I suppose in a way it’s meant to make you feel the adventure is really over, any thoughts on this?

[King Mark 3,631]

yeah but there's unreleased music in  the credits so at least well get that

[paleo 63]

There's quite nice mystery music leading to a statement of the dial theme in the end credits not released yet. I wonder whether that music appears elsewhere in the movie, as well?

[Bellosh 3,419]

13 minutes ago, Brando said:

 I suppose in a way it’s meant to make you feel the adventure is really over, any thoughts on this?

 

 

[Brando 1,864]

24 minutes ago, Bellosh said:

 

 

I suppose I interpreted it correctly then