Arpy 4,145 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Blumenkohl said: 2000s Howard Shore is better at closing a franchise than 2010s John Williams. The jump in tone from FotR to RotK compared to TFA to TROS. Those scores were one large story written over a few years opposed to the staggered 40 year casual engagement Williams went through with the saga. I get a sense (based on the FYC) that RoS does a better job concluding the ST instead of the entire nine films. I had imagined in that instance that we would hear a long concert suite end credits weaving the many themes of all nine together, but that remains to be seen and a dream that's unlikely to come true. mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Blumenkohl said: 2000s Howard Shore is better at closing a franchise than 2010s John Williams. The jump in tone from FotR to RotK compared to TFA to TROS. You only have heard FYC and not seen this film? You were wanking same time when you gave this one star? Bitter of something? Taikomochi and montgocloud 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post David Story 57 Posted December 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2019 We're all lucky to be alive when this unique work of art is new. You can be a fan of this 20 hours+ duration opus and be secure there will be fans 100 years from now that will agree with you. Musicians, historians, and Disney will make sure of that. There's so much to like and too much for most to grasp as a whole. The 2019 FYC is a small excerpt of the whole and already has fans for some pieces and even themes. I hope most of us can enjoy the excitement of first hearing this new, exciting, beautiful crafted music. It will take years to figure out what it all means and discover the hidden gems. Personally I'm noticing the signature sounds that certain cues have. A sign that close listening will reveal more. Ricard, Jost1, Taikomochi and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 I dream of a day when suites from Williams' SW scores will be mainstays on the concert hall stage, not unlike the popular ballet suites and opera overtures. So much material to choose from. David Story 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTenma 116 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Honestly I won't be very surprised if this FYC promo is not the actual FYC promo CD. Clearly someone failed at his job leaking it before its time, so this could be even a first assembled promotional rather than the final version. I just say this because the tracks seem very short and more like portions of a complete album. Anyway, I liked quite a lot. I need to listed to more music and see it in context but it makes me think that I'll enjoy the movie. Ricard and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted December 12, 2019 Author Share Posted December 12, 2019 Thread title typo fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 7 hours ago, Arpy said: Those scores were one large story written over a few years opposed to the staggered 40 year casual engagement Williams went through with the saga. He was talking about the development between TFA and TROS, not the last 40 years, clearly. Of course this trilogy doesn't come close to 2000s Shore. It's not nearly poignant and interesting enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Approaching the throne 2.39 new thematic idea? (strings + horns) 2.54 new thematic idea? (wws) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 25 minutes ago, gkgyver said: He was talking about the development between TFA and TROS, not the last 40 years, clearly. Of course this trilogy doesn't come close to 2000s Shore. It's not nearly poignant and interesting enough. Apples and Oranges... Different stories and films that required different scores; The Lord of the Rings in my mind isn't exactly three separate scores but one long narrative. The development between these three Star Wars films is clear and the FYC, as incomplete a picture it represents, still conveys that. I sense this bitterness from you is more from expectations that weren't met and not the quality/effectiveness of the the scores themselves. What makes something poignant is dependent upon whatever attachment one makes to the story, characters, music etc. So in your case I guess this last score could never deliver what you want if you weren't attached to the first two to begin with. Also shame on you for forcing me to pit both my favorite composers against one another! David Story and Taikomochi 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2019 Some people here are more interested in trolling others for liking the music than they are in the music itself, and it’s sad. Disco Stu, Tom, The Illustrious Jerry and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmarps 217 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 I like the opening pulsing moments of “Farewell” - kind of like JW saying “this is it folks, it really is the end” Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 34 minutes ago, Taikomochi said: Some people here are more interested in trolling others for liking the music than they are in the music itself, and it’s sad. Sometimes that's true, but I also understand gkgyver's take, in some way as JWFanners we all have these heavenly expectations and I won't say I wasn't a little underwhelmed with all three scores. Time, listening and experience have all managed to make me appreciate these scores more and I know the same will happen when the proper OST drops next week! Timo Martikainen and Taikomochi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Have had that “A New Home” motif stuck in my head all morning Also not sure if this was mentioned, 2:50-3:05 of “Farewell” is a veiled reference to the theme in “We Go Together” right? Maybe some evidence it’s related to the “Farewell” theme. My prediction for now is the WGT theme is like a “group/final adventure” theme that we’ll hear in the first part of the movie, then the “Farewell” one will take over towards the end as a general finale theme. That’s the vibe I’m getting anyway. I’m really digging both, they really work well in their emotional and action versions in this FYC, hope there’s a lot more of them in the score. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 03 We Go Together - surely this was recorded at a much slower tempo than what is presented here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montgocloud 1 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 I am absolutely in love with the swelling strings and rich chord changes of Farewell 3:30-end. Hits me in the same emotional spot as Anakin's Theme 1:30-2:00, Across the Stars 2:00-2:30, and the transition out of Marion's theme in Washington Ending/Raiders March 4:20-4:40. I'm a sucker for that stuff. Am I hearing things, or is that section in Farewell a major interpretation of the Kylo Ren motif? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacksonElmore 69 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 7 hours ago, Tydirium said: I dream of a day when suites from Williams' SW scores will be mainstays on the concert hall stage, not unlike the popular ballet suites and opera overtures. So much material to choose from. Especially reys theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Is anyone else thinking about the 2 rising notes JW adds to the end of Kylo Ren's theme in various places throughout the music? Or at least I believe that is what he has done. The addition adds a hopeful note but also an abruptness to the end of Kylo's fanfare. Anyone else notice this? Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, artguy360 said: Is anyone else thinking about the 2 rising notes JW adds to the end of Kylo Ren's theme in various places throughout the music? Or at least I believe that is what he has done. The addition adds a hopeful note but also an abruptness to the end of Kylo's fanfare. Anyone else notice this? "Parents" comes to mind, but can you point out other examples? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 29 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: "Parents" comes to mind, but can you point out other examples? It happens again at the beginning of Come Together. I'm not sure where else off-hand but I feel like there are more string and brass statements of it somewhere in the FYC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post David Story 57 Posted December 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2019 7 hours ago, Tydirium said: I dream of a day when suites from Williams' SW scores will be mainstays on the concert hall stage, not unlike the popular ballet suites and opera overtures. So much material to choose from. JW is among the most performed composers in the world, and the most performed living composer. If you count all concerts and not just the classical. Hundreds every year for decades. TROS will be amazing live-to-picture. That's where the growth is in orchestral concerts - live to picture and video game music. For concert suites we'll have to wait a few decades and see if a more complete suite becomes popular. Like the way The Nutcracker is played as a ballet, a suite, or as individual numbers. I understand trying to compare SW to LOTR or other films but live in concerts SW has so many more performances than any other film, TV, or game music. Aesthetically Star Wars is what they all are imitating if they're epic. And SW is the box office leader for a single-composer series. Looking at the 42 year perspective it's remarkable that an artist in their eighties can create thrilling, boisterous action music like Battle of the Resistance or Off The Waterfront. Consistency of excellence. Yet more dissonant and angular evolving with the times. Eg Approaching The Throne. This is a family film yet evokes dark evil! Over the years many people have pointed out that Star Wars is a series of individual films that interconnect. There's no source material like in Marvel or Sherlock Holmes. Yet the John Williams scores hold the whole thing together. Few films have so much transformative music. And over 9 films it's unique. I enjoy each on it's own merits and marvel at the global sweep of it's influence. crumbs, The Five Tones, Taikomochi and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,367 Posted December 12, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2019 Any else getting more and more annoyed by how choppy this presentation of the music is, and kinda leaning towards waiting till the OST album comes out to dig back into this score? Loert, Ricard, Will and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Story 57 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 This is how music sounds in most films. I'm fond of it, but it's also my field and I'm used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Yes, absolutely. I gave the FYC two listens on the day it was available out of curiosity but I'm now waiting until the 18th for the OST on streaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 I’m waiting until after seeing the movie to actually dig into it. I’ve only listened through fully once and my individual faves a few extra times. On the 18th I’ll give the OST a full listen once then try my best to stay away from it altogether until I see the film Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted December 12, 2019 Author Share Posted December 12, 2019 22 hours ago, Jim Ware said: There's an oblique reference to Luke and Leia in We Go Together. 20 hours ago, Jay said: Anyone else know what he's talking about? 20 hours ago, Johnny Baby said: I heard it also, I assume hes referring to 0:30 to 0:37 in We Go Together. 20 hours ago, Jay said: Isn't that the B section of NEW THEME #2? Or are you saying all of these is actually Luke and Leia's theme? 03 We Go Together (2:10) 0:30 NEW THEME #2 (Anakin's Theme-esque B section?) 1:58 NEW THEME #2 (Anakin's Theme-esque B section?) 20 Seeing Sights (3:17) 0:24 NEW THEME #2 (Anakin's Theme-esque B section?) What's the final verdict on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 I say no. Just a similarity. MrJosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Jay said: Any else getting more and more annoyed by how choppy this presentation of the music is, and kinda leaning towards waiting till the OST album comes out to dig back into this score? Modern film making. Loert 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted December 12, 2019 Author Share Posted December 12, 2019 Nah it has nothing to do with that. Clearly some of these tracks "end" where they would segue directly into more music in the film itself, but are "cut short" here if that cue would involve straight up presentations of old themes or heavy edits. The result is this doesn't work as an album. It doesn't have a beginning or end. Arpy and Joni Wiljami 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 I still get nightmares about the time I listened to "The Falcon" (TFA) on the FYC for the first time. So I'm feeling optimistic that the OST album will be a much pleasanter listening experience than what we got so far... thx99 and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Is the editing worse than the FYCs for the first two ST films? Feels like it. I'm two listens (only one full volume, undistracted) and am stopping until... 18th or 20th can't decide. Want the full quality audio, but fomo on the discussions. Won't see the film probably until around New Year's. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 yeah, I can tell there are some clear edits and some abrupt moments. I wonder if any of these queues is segued to from the Main Title? I don't hear one that would sound obvious. I also wonder if the cue that segues to the End Credits is a life of existing material and perhaps is why it's not on the FYC. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted December 12, 2019 Author Share Posted December 12, 2019 To me it seems certain that where A New Home "ends" here is where in the film itself it will segue into Binary Sunset yet again, and that will end the film. And I think Prologue is a small chunk of a long cue that flows out of the main title. The Five Tones and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 minute ago, MrJosh said: I wonder if any of these queues is segued to from the Main Title? The FYC has to be in chrono order, so if it was going to be one of them it would have to be first one. And it doesn't sound like it could naturally flow out of the end of the main title without more transitional material. Will and The Five Tones 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Jay said: To me it seems certain that where A New Home "ends" here is where in the film itself it will segue into Binary Sunset yet again, and that will end the film. And I think Prologue is a small chunk of a long cue that flows out of the main title. You're right, I can certainly hear Binary Sunset in my head starting right there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, MrJosh said: yeah, I can tell there are some clear edits and some abrupt moments. I wonder if any of these queues is segued to from the Main Title? I don't hear one that would sound obvious. I also wonder if the cue that segues to the End Credits is a life of existing material and perhaps is why it's not on the FYC. It's probably because it's Binary Sunset for the nth time, and the Academy doesn't like retreads like these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 He should re-work Reunion of Friends, have it lead up to Rey's theme in Lydian mode segueing into 'End Credits and Rey's Wonderous World' Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaestroUE 29 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Update after a few listens: Overall i like the writing, the orchestration and the energy in this, as i said before, especially the action writing and the underscore but the more i listen to it, the more i find things that disturb me. First of all, i know many people have pointed out the new "themes" but considering the fact that this album should represent the new material in the score, i'm greatly disappointed. If this turns out to be true, i believe this will be something i've never witnessed in a JW score. There are a couple of motifs, that don't really feel like themes, maybe except for the ending of "Farewell" and the mid-part of "Approaching the Throne". Even Rose's Theme sounds more complete and more exciting. The mixing is good, except for louder tutti string/woodwind & timpani passages. Although this could be due to the lower quallity of the audio, it's still not as good as it was in TLJ i believe. The whole album sounds very underscory, which is brilliantly written, much better than TFA and TLJ, but it doesn't really deliver a solid listening experience. The frequent tutti-crescendi/cluster passages with the purpose of creating suspense kinda gets boring after a while. This surely is gonna be somewhat fixed in the complete score but i kinda have started feeling a little pessimistic about the fulfillment of the complete score. If there were major new themes, they probably would've been represented in the FYC, which is the purpose of the album, otherwise who would prefer underscore to thematically well written new cues? Questions after questions in my mind.. I've already given up on hearing major new themes in the complete score but i'm holding onto my hope of a better listening experience. Will and _deleted_ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 33 minutes ago, MrJosh said: He should re-work Reunion of Friends, have it lead up to Rey's theme in Lydian mode segueing into 'End Credits and Rey's Wonderous World' Ha - I wonder if that would work as well as it did with Hedwig's theme, in terms of the intervals sounding Lydian if you placed the tonic on the sixth degree. (I actually just tried it out in my head). Certainly the Phrygian dominant version of Rey at the end of TLJ Finale is quite lovely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bellosh 3,419 Posted December 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2019 WHAT A FUCKING TIME TO BE AT THE JWFAN FORUMS!!!! thx99, Cerebral Cortex and Darth Porkins 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,157 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Amen, brother! Cerebral Cortex and Bellosh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,367 Posted December 12, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2019 Listening to the end of Approaching The Throne.. it is suspicious! Almost like it's possible that they muted the orchestra after 4:08, only leaving the choir continue on to finish, because in the actual film, the orchestra continues on from there with Duel of the Fates backing. Who knows, it's possible though. The Five Tones, Cerebral Cortex, BLUMENKOHL and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Eh, it’s alright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jay 37,367 Posted December 12, 2019 Author Share Posted December 12, 2019 I know there was at least two spots in the TROS FYC that reminded me of Shore's LOTR music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaestroUE 29 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, Jay said: Listening to the end of Approaching The Throne.. it is suspicious! Almost like it's possible that they muted the orchestra after 4:08, only leaving the choir continue on to finish, because in the actual film, the orchestra continues on from there with Duel of the Fates backing. Who knows, it's possible though. I was thinking the same thing. Also the end of the piece itself does not sound like how JW would end such a climactic moment. It’s possible that there’s recurring themes, possibly DotF, before and after that choir moment so they might have decided to cut it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 I think We GoTogether might be the cue that leads to the End Credits. There's the Force theme followed by a passage that sounds like it's meant to segue into the End Credits so it might be A New Home and We go Togheter on the OST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted December 12, 2019 Author Share Posted December 12, 2019 Nope, per Academy stipulations the FYC album must be in film order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Maybe they were still working on it and that's why they removed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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