King Mark 3,631 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 33 minutes ago, igger6 said: Does it strike anyone else as an obvious oversight to reveal that big podrace stadium full of Sith fans and not have them chanting "Korah, Ratama..."? For twenty years, whenever I heard the opening of "Duel of the Fates," I've been picturing some ancient, insidious cult ritual, and now that's literally what we get onscreen, and the theme is MIA. If I'm JJ, that's the first request I make in the spotting session. there was something that sounded like DotF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Yes, like the chants in the Darth Maul cues early in TPM. Enter Darth Maul etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 there's the short choral cue at the end of Approaching the Throne. It sounds like a section of DotF (at 3.17 in the concert version of Duel of the Fates). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 I just wanted more of the trio theme, more of the farewell theme and we were robbed, ROBBED by nostagic throwbacks and not enough disc space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 yeah the single disk OST seems like a tragedy now. And I just can't see an iso score on this one so we won't be getting this for years After my IMAX viewing with a much better sound system ,Lando Arrives was even more glorious, probably one of the best single cues of all 9 films Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2019 I always love how you treat the release of a new Williams OST as a bad thing, KM. Taikomochi, Bofur01, crumbs and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 The person to blame is JW himself. If he wanted a deluxe edition with 2 discs and most of the score, it would happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 1 hour ago, King Mark said: yeah the single disk OST seems like a tragedy now. And I just can't see an iso score on this one so we won't be getting this for years You know, I'm starting to think you're a bit of a "glass half empty" kind of person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 52 minutes ago, Stefancos said: I always love how you treat the release of a new Williams OST as a bad thing, KM. I've been the same way for every new SW release in the past 20 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 58 minutes ago, King Mark said: I've been the same way for every new SW release in the past 20 years Well considering we're two decades past the first prequel and still haven't received an expansion (well, unless you count the UE), your pessimism probably isn't unfounded. But don't forget we're in the Matessino era now, and he's fighting that battle for us. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 He got Potter done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 19 minutes ago, King Mark said: I've been the same way for every new SW release in the past 20 years I know! The main thing you seem to focus on is how much there is missing, instead of how much you've just been given. It's a very pessimistic outlook, IMO. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Mark 3,631 Posted December 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2019 no it's not. As fan that's what we want the most. and when lesser scores get immediate 2 c.d. releases like Black Panther it just crushes my heart Damien F, Ricard and Joni Wiljami 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miz 139 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 So, I'm trying my best to like this score, but I'm not getting it. Lots of meandering underscore, not much action music (most of it sketchy), a scattering of old themes in familiar presentations, and a few indistinguishable new themes that weren't really necessary. When a blurt of the Resistance march is the most anchoring feature of a significant part of the score, you know there's not loads to grab on to! It doesn't help that the film itself is another swerve in direction, with a weak piecemeal plot and not enough character development for anyone. But what is this new adventure theme during The Speeder Chase, and why does it matter? Can someone point me to the highlights of this score's intelligence? To the new themes getting used in smart ways? To the development of old themes? I do hope this one is a 'grower'. gkgyver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 16 minutes ago, King Mark said: no it's not. As fan that's what we want the most. and when lesser scores get immediate 2 c.d. releases like Black Panther it just crushes my heart It often feels like you consider yourself as the Official JWFan Arbiter of which scores are worth releasing and which aren't. Don't get me wrong - I agree with you on how disappointing it is that much of JW's music is still unreleased, and (as I alluded to somewhere else) I think that Disney is stuck up its own pretentious ass by not allowing speciality labels to work on SW/Indy properly. But you're putting JW and his music on a pedestal that he didn't ask for, and at the expense of belittling lots of other scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Miz said: So, I'm trying my best to like this score, but I'm not getting it. Lots of meandering underscore, not much action music (most of it sketchy), a scattering of old themes in familiar presentations, and a few indistinguishable new themes that weren't really necessary. When a blurt of the Resistance march is the most anchoring feature of a significant part of the score, you know there's not loads to grab on to! I hear you, this score just isnt really doing it for me. It's fine...I guess. gkgyver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted December 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2019 Ugh I can’t get over how much I love “The Force is With You”. The stunning rendition of Rey’s chimes theme followed by the subdued moment of sheer bliss as Rey looks into the stars and hears the Jedi calling to her. It’s fucking sublime and heartbreaking. Emperor’s theme doing its thing for a bit and then........ And then possibly my favourite ever rendition of the Force theme ever rising and rising to an incredible climax - the whole melody by the way, not just the first part. Then a gorgeous statement of the Rise of Skywalker/whatever we’re calling it theme. A great hit of the rebel fanfare. we don’t deserve this Taikomochi, Tydirium, Holko and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,318 Posted December 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2019 9 minutes ago, Docteur Qui said: And then possibly my favourite ever rendition of the Force theme ever rising and rising to an incredible climax - the whole melody by the way, not just the first part. It's glorious indeed. The first part of the Force Theme might be overdone but the second half got used so rarely during the ST. What a treat to get such an intriguing presentation of the entire theme in the final film, at the climax no less. Taikomochi, Molly Weasley and Docteur Qui 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted December 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2019 Now I’m onto Reunion, and if those new renditions of the Main theme, Force theme, Poe’s theme and Rey’s theme don’t give you chills then you have no heart. Yeah it’s one theme after another (in between a direct lift of Yoda’s theme, and potentially a new arrangement of Brother and Sister, though I can’t be sure) but it’s Williams gold. Tiburon, eitam and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2019 The statement of Luke and Leia is definitely new, though it starts with the concert arrangement. It’s a beautiful moment. Smaug The Iron, Docteur Qui and rpvee 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2019 5 hours ago, igger6 said: Does it strike anyone else as an obvious oversight to reveal that big podrace stadium full of Sith fans and not have them chanting "Korah, Ratama..."? For twenty years, whenever I heard the opening of "Duel of the Fates," I've been picturing some ancient, insidious cult ritual, and now that's literally what we get onscreen, and the theme is MIA. If I'm JJ, that's the first request I make in the spotting session. I find it more of an oversight that none of those thousands of Sith people actually do anything while watching their emperor's face melt. crumbs, igger6 and Cerebral Cortex 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eitam 364 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 23 minutes ago, crumbs said: It's glorious indeed. The first part of the Force Theme might be overdone but the second half got used so rarely during the ST. What a treat to get such an intriguing presentation of the entire theme in the final film, at the climax no less. IMO the first half of the theme is just OK in this rendition, but yes, the second half is fantastic, especially with that violin line at the end. Too bad it gets buried under sound effects in the movie. 26 minutes ago, Docteur Qui said: Now I’m onto Reunion, and if those new renditions of the Main theme, Force theme, Poe’s theme and Rey’s theme don’t give you chills then you have no heart. Yeah it’s one theme after another (in between a direct lift of Yoda’s theme, and potentially a new arrangement of Brother and Sister, though I can’t be sure) but it’s Williams gold. That Rey's Theme statement plays sooo well in the movie, it sounds so happy and relieved! Docteur Qui and Smaug The Iron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 41 minutes ago, Docteur Qui said: Now I’m onto Reunion, and if those new renditions of the Main theme, Force theme, Poe’s theme and Rey’s theme don’t give you chills then you have no heart. Yeah it’s one theme after another (in between a direct lift of Yoda’s theme, and potentially a new arrangement of Brother and Sister, though I can’t be sure) but it’s Williams gold. It's nice, but no chills. Guess I have no heart. Yoda's theme just makes no sense. DolceMecha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,670 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 2 hours ago, gkgyver said: It's nice, but no chills. Guess I have no heart. Yoda's theme just makes no sense. Williams likes the theme--same as it playing during the last act of ESB. Why he did not write a new joyful piece, I don't know. Maybe after 3 hours of music, he told JJ (while waving his hand) "Yoda's theme will fit fine." Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 I like some of the Reunion and Finale but not all of it. Would rather he cut the copy and paste stuff like Yodas theme and give us Lando Arrives Will and Andy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eitam 364 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tom said: Williams like the theme--same as it playing during the last act of ESB. Why he did not write a new joyful piece, I don't know. Maybe after 3 hours of music, he told JJ (while waving his hand) "Yoda's theme will fit fine." I can just imagine it I also kinda wish we had gotten another Victory Celebration-like piece, but this will do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 18 minutes ago, Tom said: Williams like the theme--same as it playing during the last act of ESB. Why he did not write a new joyful piece, I don't know. Maybe after 3 hours of music, he told JJ (while waving his hand) "Yoda's theme will fit fine." At least Yoda is a main character in ESB. I assume it's temping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,289 Posted December 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Docteur Qui said: Now I’m onto Reunion, and if those new renditions of the Main theme, Force theme, Poe’s theme and Rey’s theme don’t give you chills then you have no heart. Yeah it’s one theme after another (in between a direct lift of Yoda’s theme, and potentially a new arrangement of Brother and Sister, though I can’t be sure) but it’s Williams gold. The trio theme at the end is my fave. I’ll never get sick of violins gliding up to a high note like that. That sound actually does give me the chillz. Yoda’s Theme and Luke & Leia are ridiculous and make no sense but fuck it, it’s Star Wars, they sound great and I think it flows pretty well musically, the movie sucks anyway. I love that track. Docteur Qui, eitam, Edmilson and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Yeah exactly, if the movie’s not gonna be any good then at least we get this obscene procession of themes all mashed together. This is the end credits sequence as far as I’m concerned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 There is so much gap filler on the OST and still Williams manages to leave off several exciting cues instead. gkgyver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,470 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 21 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: Yoda’s Theme and Luke & Leia are ridiculous and make no sense but fuck it, it’s Star Wars, they sound great and I think it flows pretty well musically, the movie sucks anyway. I love that track. As I interpret, these themes are there not because of coherence or something, but because they belong in the realm of the heroes themes of the Star Wars saga (as opposed to the Imperial March, Emperor's Theme, etc). The heroes are celebrating and happy about that victory, so he used these themes along with other heroes themes from the movies. It's not anything new for Williams. Remember Leia's Theme during Obi-Wan's death on A New Hope? I think, if he thinks a theme can have the emotional impact he wants on the scene, he'll use that theme, regardless if the characters they were inteded for are on the scene or not. I was more puzzled about Yoda's Theme on Destiny of a Jedi. However, since it plays as Luke's ghost is lifting the X-Wing from the water, I understood as a reference to Yoda doing the same thing on Empire - and maybe commenting that, now, Luke has achieved the same level of power as Yoda. 7 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: There is so much gap filler on the OST and still Williams manages to leave off several exciting cues instead. Hardly anything new for Williams, lol. Until this day I don't know why the KOTCS OST has so much boring stuff and not the complete music for the Jungle Chase action sequence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oierem 152 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 22 minutes ago, Edmilson said: It's not anything new for Williams. Remember Leia's Theme during Obi-Wan's death on A New Hope? I think, if he thinks a theme can have the emotional impact he wants on the scene, he'll use that theme, regardless if the characters they were inteded for are on the scene or not. The difference is that on ANH Leia's theme was the only romantic/dramatic theme he had. (and of course, Leia was in the scene) Having so many themes, the choice of using a theme of a character who is not even in the movie is more baffling (and more related to the idea of "let's just have many of the old classic themes to celebrate the occasion!"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanskie 104 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 I'm sure we'll hear the Rey Training Course cue at some point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eitam 364 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 I went to see the movie again. I thought I heard some music from Join Me (OST version) at the beginning of the movie, when we first see the Sith fleet in all its ridicule splendor. Is that right? I don"t see it in @Jay's spreadsheet. Also I'm adding the music for the meeting with Lando on Pasaana to my wishlist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted December 24, 2019 Author Share Posted December 24, 2019 Most of the prologue sounds tracked from other cues for sure. I haven't sat down and tried to figure out second by second what's what, just put the obvious ones (IE, stuff from the first 2 OST tracks) in the chart so far Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,470 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 When the movie comes out on home video, it'll be a lot easier to figure it out what is tracked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted December 24, 2019 Author Share Posted December 24, 2019 For certain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Erik Woods 555 Posted December 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2019 My gift to you this holiday season. Here's my Fantasy End Credit suite of The Rise of Skywalker end title. I truly disliked the Finale cue on the album so my goal was to fix it by trying my best to eliminate as much previously established themes and only use new Rise of Skywalker themes and music in the suite. I hope you enjoy! IMO, this is a much more satisfying finale then what Williams gave to us on the album and in the film. Gurkensalat, DolceMecha and Bayesian 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eitam 364 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Jay said: Most of the prologue sounds tracked from other cues for sure. I haven't sat down and tried to figure out second by second what's what, just put the obvious ones (IE, stuff from the first 2 OST tracks) in the chart so far OK. I'm guessing the mess of the soundtrack reflects the mess of the movie here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,372 Posted December 24, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 24, 2019 I wouldn't say the soundtrack album is a mess, it's pretty straightforward actually. But the final score in the final film is a mess, indeed, yes, for certain Will, Edmilson and Arpy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaft 2,132 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 5 hours ago, Taikomochi said: The statement of Luke and Leia is definitely new, though it starts with the concert arrangement. It’s a beautiful moment. It's the same exact statement as from "The Spark" from TLJ, only transposed up a step to F-maj and given newly robust conclusion. But overall the orchestrational and harmonic details are the same. Sigh. gkgyver and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,670 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 7 hours ago, Miz said: But what is this new adventure theme during The Speeder Chase, and why does it matter? Well, if you are criticizing the way it was edited into (or out of) the movie, then I agree that there is a big problem. If you are asking why Williams wrote an adventure motif for an adventure scene, then I think the problem is a lack of understanding of how film scoring works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,844 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Everyone agrees A New Home was temped with Jedi Steps right? Both the scene and the music share a number of similarities. For one, they're both followed by the exact same rendition of Binary Sunset! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 I don’t think it was temped, they’re both in different keys for one, and “A New Home” doesn’t transition into Binary Sunset at all, it just ends. I do think JJ asked for something in a similar vein; mysterious and magical. I though Rey was going to start the new Jedi Academy there or something. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyncMan 314 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 On 12/22/2019 at 4:36 PM, Luke Skywalker said: Why so much tracked music in this film? I suspect that these music quotations (or 'tracking') from previous SW scores, specifically the ’77-’83 trilogy, are not all of Williams' ideas, at least not the bulk of it. Take the Sail Barge Assault sequence from ROTJ. Williams first music cue for that sequence was completely original. His replacement cue for that same sequence was riddled with quotes from ANH. My thinking is that as long as Lucas is bringing back the Death Star, why not bring back some of the music from ANH. Now for TROS, I fell that putting in these musical reference from past SW scores was at Abrams’ suggestion as one of the ways to bring back old-school Star Wars fans that were lost during TLJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eitam 364 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 13 minutes ago, artguy360 said: Everyone agrees A New Home was temped with Jedi Steps right? Both the scene and the music share a number of similarities. For one, they're both followed by the exact same rendition of Binary Sunset! Yes, I find the opening of A New Home with the cello (?) is reminiscent of Jedi Steps. And it's beautiful. Actually once the ostinato starts I become less interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 wrong thread lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 17 minutes ago, Quintus said: wrong thread lol Your point remains, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 2 hours ago, artguy360 said: Everyone agrees A New Home was temped with Jedi Steps right? Both the scene and the music share a number of similarities. For one, they're both followed by the exact same rendition of Binary Sunset! Is it though? The main figure in a new home is a repeating 6 note figure. Jedi Steps has an actual melody with multiple phrases. I tried it on the piano and they didn't come out similar. I thought it sounded similar to the chime part of Rey's theme with its repeating 7 notes but that's not it either. It does sound familiar but I am not sure to what. It is a fairly basic progression to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 There's fragments of Rey's Theme scattered all throughout A New Home. It's basically a deconstruction of her theme (listen to the cello at the end, especially). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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