JohnnyD 1,223 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 28 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: In fact he seems quite happy to have been involved with them. Absolutely; he has expressed as such in numerous interviews, and it shows. I don't mind revisiting the scores via the soundtrack albums and the films themselves (in the case of Episode VIII, that and the isolated score track), but I cannot wait for the day when all nine scores are released in the remastered, expanded and complete format the Maestro's work clearly deserves; it absolutely NEEDS to happen. BrotherSound and Manakin Skywalker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,316 Posted July 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2020 7 hours ago, Nick Parker said: Wait is this in the Dudamel interview? 2 hours ago, Arpy said: @crumbs where are you getting this info about Williams' disliking TRoS' handling from? 1 hour ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Nowhere. There's no evidence that John dislikes JJ, Rian, or their films. In fact he seems quite happy to have been involved with them. Nobody is saying John dislikes JJ, Rian, or the films, or that he was unhappy doing them. Clearly he enjoyed writing for Daisy and the opportunity to work with the orchestra, or he wouldn't have come back. I was referring specifically to the treatment of his score in TROS. Early last month, @Fabulin translated an interview with ASM where she specifically mentioned John's reaction to the treatment of his score in TROS. On 6/3/2020 at 5:43 AM, Fabulin said: "Mutter: I am a very acoustically-minded cinema fan. When the film music is weak, I have trouble concentratiing on the film itself. I am angry about the missed opportunities. Concerning the newest film of the Star Wars series, which I saw at the premiere in London, I was --- just like John Williams --- (heavily) disappointed about the fact that J.J. Abrams mixed his score so that far too little of the music can be heard. I sat in the cinema and thought "What is wrong with the loudspeakers? When will the blast of brass (finally) reach me?" I am otherwise not a person who loves the loudness per se, but I am so minded that in any form of music fortissimos must contrast with pianos. When the battle noise in the film is louder than the music, in my view something is not right". https://www.nordbuzz.de/people/star-geigerin-anne-sophie-mutter-spricht-interview-ueber-ihre-corona-infektion-13771243.html And I doubt it's a coincidence that John repeatedly mentioned TFA's lousy mixing when performing Scherzo for X-Wings. As others observed, JW's public persona is very professional and he has a subtle way of voicing displeasure (so we must read between the lines). He's also repeatedly mentioned how much JJ changes scenes. He did add the caveat in one interview that he doesn't mind doing rewrites (in the Tavis Smiley interview). I never said he didn't enjoy working with Rian Johnson, actually the exact opposite (based on the score he delivered). I said that some would jump to that conclusion simply because we didn't hear as much from JW about his experience with RJ as we did with JJ. I agree with @Holko's theory that the production went so smoothly and unremarkably, there simply wasn't much to discuss afterwards (unlike the other 2 sequels). 6 hours ago, JohnnyD said: I beg to differ... I thought that featurette was lost! Brilliant find, thanks so much for re-posting. I only saw it once back in 2017 and forgot its content, so that's great to see some actual footage of JW working with Rian and describing his process. So I believe that makes 3 scoring featurettes altogether for TLJ, two of which we have in high quality (plus the two videos RJ posted on his twitter page, on May 4th and the Main Title recording). Here's the other one, with plenty of footage of the two working together (even hugging! ): 1 hour ago, mrbellamy said: Not for nothing but he did name drop him at the Hollywood Bowl 2017...funnily the only time I recall him subbing Rian in for Kennedy in the classic "I don't want anyone else writing music for Daisy" story, and also in this version he says yes right away instead of hemming and hawing oh John Hah! I'd love to hear a supercut of how that anecdote evolved across 2016-2017, from his apprehension to scoring VIII with KK, to cutting off RJ mid-sentence to say yes. Smaug The Iron, Remco, Arpy and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 11 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Nowhere. There's no evidence that John dislikes JJ, Rian, or their films. In fact he seems quite happy to have been involved with them. During introductions of TFA material in concerts, he's dropped hints. I saw him introduce "Scherzo for X-wings" by saying something along the lines that you work hard on this music and no one gets to hear it under the sound effects. He said it in a polite way of course, but it wasn't very ambiguous. Of course he's only spoken highly of all the actual people involved, including the directors. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted July 3, 2020 Author Share Posted July 3, 2020 I transcribed exactly what JW said about the Scherzo (and no one else composing for Daisy) in Boston in May 2016 here: https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/26022-john-williams-film-night-boston-may-12-13-2016/&do=findComment&comment=1246143 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 19 hours ago, crumbs said: So I believe that makes 3 scoring featurettes altogether for TLJ, two of which we have in high quality (plus the two videos RJ posted on his twitter page, on May 4th and the Main Title recording). Here's the other one, with plenty of footage of the two working together (even hugging! ): In addition to the featurette on the Blu-Ray for Episode VII - The Force Awakens (John Williams: The Seventh Symphony) and the featurette on iTunes and Disney Plus for Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (The Maestro's Finale and the section from The Skywalker Legacy documentary), that makes a total of how many featurettes focused on the Maestro's music for Star Wars? I know the Conversation With the Masters documentary on the Blu-Ray for Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back, the Maestro in the Empire of Dreams documentary, The Beginning: The Making of Episode I - The Phantom Menace and the featurette on the DVD, the featurette on the DVD for Episode II - Attack of the Clones, and the featurette on the DVD for Episode III - Revenge of the Sith. Did I leave something out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Wan 65 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 I'm just curious are there any tracks from the oficial soundtrack album or FYC promo which have been used in the TROS movie without any alterations? I mean are there any tracks from OST or FYC promo which I can play with the corresponding movie scene and it will fit? Or is the movie total mess regarding the usage of music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 13 minutes ago, E-Wan said: I'm just curious are there any tracks from the oficial soundtrack album or FYC promo which have been used in the TROS movie without any alterations? I mean are there any tracks from OST or FYC promo which I can play with the corresponding movie scene and it will fit? Or is the movie total mess regarding the usage of music? FYC tracks usually contain the film edits so it should fit (this is not always 100% right though, taking Falcon Flight as an example). As for the OST, some tracks are less altered than others: "Approaching the Throne", "Reunion", "A New Home", but most of the time it won't fit perfectly. There are also tracks you can forget about: "Journey to Exegol", "Fanfare and Prologue" as JW's initial intentions are totally absent in the beginning of the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted July 14, 2020 Author Share Posted July 14, 2020 1 hour ago, E-Wan said: I'm just curious are there any tracks from the oficial soundtrack album or FYC promo which have been used in the TROS movie without any alterations? I mean are there any tracks from OST or FYC promo which I can play with the corresponding movie scene and it will fit? Or is the movie total mess regarding the usage of music? All the FYC tracks exactly line up with the final film None of the OST tracks play unedited in the film as they are on the album Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Approaching The Throne, Farewell and A New Home all come very close to matching the final film, but even they have modifications (just subtle trims or loops, basically). I doubt a single cue in the film is presented exactly as recorded/intended, except 1M1 (but even the ending is tracked over by music from TFA). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Wan 65 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 6 hours ago, Chewy said: FYC tracks usually contain the film edits so it should fit (this is not always 100% right though, taking Falcon Flight as an example). As for the OST, some tracks are less altered than others: "Approaching the Throne", "Reunion", "A New Home", but most of the time it won't fit perfectly. There are also tracks you can forget about: "Journey to Exegol", "Fanfare and Prologue" as JW's initial intentions are totally absent in the beginning of the movie. 4 hours ago, Jay said: All the FYC tracks exactly line up with the final film None of the OST tracks play unedited in the film as they are on the album 4 hours ago, crumbs said: Approaching The Throne, Farewell and A New Home all come very close to matching the final film, but even they have modifications (just subtle trims or loops, basically). I doubt a single cue in the film is presented exactly as recorded/intended, except 1M1 (but even the ending is tracked over by music from TFA). So when I play FYC promo tracks with the corresponding movie scenes they will fit. Great! Thank you all for information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,894 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 1 hour ago, E-Wan said: So when I play FYC promo tracks with the corresponding movie scenes they will fit. Great! Thank you all for information. Well, I think you might need to compensate the speed a tiny bit. I know that was the case for TFA. Audio in movies shot on film tend to be a tiny bit slower/faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 And some of the FYC tracks were finalized before the film was finished, so tracks like Falcon Flight don't 100% match the final edit. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 On 12/19/2019 at 7:20 AM, Edmilson said: That said, the utter exclusion of Holdo's Theme is pretty weird. For the official OST, I would've changed, for example, Lesson One (a track I never liked) for Holdo's Resolve. I wouldn't say it was excluded, it is in the end credits. I really like that. I may be alone in this, but The Last Jedi is perfectly arranged on album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Lesson One rules. I’d ditch Who Are You? if anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 638 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 On 7/2/2020 at 4:18 PM, JohnnyD said: I beg to differ... I only wish that this featurette was included in home video like there was for Episode VII (Blu-Ray) and IX (iTunes and Disney Plus) (except no 360 degree video format). Then again, I can always watch it via YouTube on Apple TV. I was always more under the impression that RJ wasn't crazy about Williams. Reading about how he handled the scoring process, it was insane. Whenever he talks about Star Wars or film music, he doesn't seem really engaged. I really got the feeling that his whole job was to completely do something new with Star Wars as an outsider, and music was part of that, but they obviously forced him to use JW. That info about the scoring process I believe was from the soundtracking interview. https://audioboom.com/posts/6557819-episode-69-rian-johnson-on-the-music-of-star-wars-other-movies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mstrox 6,651 Posted July 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2020 I've never heard Johnson say an ill word about Williams. I just view the TLJ scoring style as Johnson having faith in John Williams. MikeH, Smaug The Iron, mrbellamy and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 638 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Yeah, but you'd think a director would be thrilled to sit down and do a scoring sessions with Williams. How many get to do that at all anymore? Came off as disinterested. Nothing personal, just no interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smaug The Iron 515 Posted July 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2020 Johnson loves Williams. How do you explain that TLJ has the most respected presentation of the score in the film of all the sequels? crumbs, Taikomochi and Cerebral Cortex 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,287 Posted July 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2020 Anyone who thinks Rian Johnson is anything less than a John Williams fanboy isn't paying attention or reading many interviews. Or just has a bone to pick with the guy. Cerebral Cortex, Taikomochi, Remco and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaft 2,132 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Speaking of Rian Johnson, I noticed he provided a back-cover blurb for Alex Ross's forthcoming new book on Wagnerism. Much respect. blondheim and BrotherSound 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 I don't think RJ has anything against Williams personally. No one does. It's just to do with personal taste and sensibilities. Like say - do you think RJ would ever ask Williams to score any of his films? No. On Star Wars, Williams came pre-attached with the film so there was nothing RJ could do about it. He was respectful of the process and worked with it pretty well. But is he going to have another film with a massive symphonic wall to wall orchestral score? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Never say never. I am still hoping he gets another Star Wars film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fabulin 3,513 Posted July 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2020 I maintain that other than old Spielberg, Rian Johnson is probably the most proven Williams-friendly high profile director right now. The score to Knives Out was orchestral in the Batman / The Shadow vein. DrTenma, Bofur01, Remco and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Remco 685 Posted July 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2020 25 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: I don't think RJ has anything against Williams personally. No one does. It's just to do with personal taste and sensibilities. Like say - do you think RJ would ever ask Williams to score any of his films? No. On Star Wars, Williams came pre-attached with the film so there was nothing RJ could do about it. He was respectful of the process and worked with it pretty well. But is he going to have another film with a massive symphonic wall to wall orchestral score? No. Wait, what? Asking JW to score your film does not necessarily mean wall to wall scoring. RJ’s favorite Williams score is The Long Goodbye! I’m sure both men know enough of cinema and its history to make another exciting collaborarion together. I hope it happens. MikeH, crumbs, Smaug The Iron and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,287 Posted July 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2020 Johnson wouldn't ordinarily hire Williams a) because he's loyal to Nathan Johnson and their partnership seems happy and fruitful, and b) Williams does not generally make himself available, anyway. The whole spotting session thing, I think has been blown out of proportion. Johnson and Williams would have talked about the film, thematic material, character arcs, dramatic beats of each scene while they were working. I'm not really convinced that Johnson never heard any music until recording. I think Williams must have played him stuff on piano, themes and maybe some cues but obviously RJ wouldn't have known what it would really sound like until he heard it on the stage. But as he said, the temp basically would have already demonstrated what he was thinking in terms of in-out points and the musical dynamic and emotional pitch of various scenes, probably better than he felt he could put into words. I really think it was in the spirit of creative freedom that he was like, just take this, please, sir, and go for it. It seems like it was largely up to Williams whether he mimicked the temp or not. I don't think Johnson had much else to say to Williams about what it should sound like, especially at the beginning. Williams said in that featurette that Johnson was both "loose" and "hands-on" so it's not like he just gave him the temp, covered his ears and went "La la la la la," there was obviously more going on with their collaboration that we're not privy to. There's so much bad faith shit about Rian Johnson and people can say what they want about the liberties he took with the lore because I don't pay any attention to that nor do I care, but aesthetically the film is not some crazy departure. I think he wanted John Williams to write a Star Wars score for his movie, I think he was excited to hear it, and that's that. Holko, Remco, Taikomochi and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 5 hours ago, Remco said: Wait, what? Asking JW to score your film does not necessarily mean wall to wall scoring. RJ’s favorite Williams score is The Long Goodbye! I’m sure both men know enough of cinema and its history to make another exciting collaborarion together. I hope it happens. I didn't say that. Star Wars is wall to wall scoring for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Didn't Rian himself say that when he started watching the film with John, he made that joke about Main Title being temp and needing something new (much to Williams' befuddlement), but the music was so loud that he couldn't clarify the joke. That couldn't have happened unless they spotted the film together. The notion that he just handed the film off to JW without watching it with him is completely ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alan 689 Posted July 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2020 I don't understand where all this discussion about Johnson not being interested in Williams is coming from. He described the scoring process with Williams as "the highlight of highlights" of making a Star Wars film. He respected the music when finishing the film and cited unheard music as one of the best features of some of the deleted scenes and he presented us with an isolated score - a first for Star Wars! I think it's a case of actions speaking louder than words. RJ seems fairly quiet and reserved generally but look at how the music was treated. Abrams gushes to an almost embarrassing degree about Williams but then takes a hacksaw to the music. Not difficult to see who has the most genuine respect for the composer. crumbs, Manakin Skywalker, Holko and 9 others 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 On 7/15/2020 at 4:15 AM, mrbellamy said: Lesson One rules. I’d ditch Who Are You? if anything. I really don't understand why that space-wasting cue is on the OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Alan said: I think it's a case of actions speaking louder than words. RJ seems fairly quiet and reserved generally but look at how the music was treated. Abrams gushes to an almost embarrassing degree about Williams but then takes a hacksaw to the music. Not difficult to see who has the most genuine respect for the composer. Thank you! Succinctly put. TROS doesn't have a single musical moment which reaches the heights of a handful of such moments during TLJ, where Rian conceptualized entire sequences for the music to do the storytelling (per Star Wars tradition). JJ has NFI, as evidenced by this embarrassment of a trilogy closer. Seth and Alan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 2 hours ago, crumbs said: TROS doesn't have a single musical moment which reaches the heights of a handful of such moments during TLJ, where Rian conceptualized entire sequences for the music to do the storytelling (per Star Wars tradition). Yes it does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Yannick 40 Posted July 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2020 55 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: Yes it does Oh, absolutely! I mean... This scene is so pure and beautiful. Or this one... Gives me chills every time Why can't we just enjoy every sequel movie instead of compare them? Falstaft, Smeltington, 1977 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted July 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2020 I got chills when I first heard "We Go Together" in the theaters. Some other great in-movie moments include the non-edited parts of Approaching the Throne, the desert shot of the Knights of Ren, "Parents," "Rey and Ben Team Up," and all other statements of the "We Go Together" theme Taikomochi, Falstaft, Cerebral Cortex and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 There are sublime moments in every John Williams score and Rise is no exception. Although, I agree that Jedi has many, many more of them. The cue The Last Jedi is easily the best cue of the entire sequel trilogy, if it isn't Holdo's Resolve. Taikomochi and Bofur01 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, blondheim said: There are sublime moments in every John Williams score and Rise is no exception. Although, I agree that Jedi has many, many more of them. The cue The Last Jedi is easily the best cue of the entire sequel trilogy, if it isn't Holdo's Resolve. I prefer those TRoS moments to anything from TLJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blondheim 1,157 Posted July 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2020 Those lush, rising strings after Kylo finds out Luke isn't actually there were so impactful that day in 2017 that I was reminded of Revenge of the Sith, which packed a major wallop in theatres. I really like when Williams does scene-specific scoring. I agree with you about that piano moment in Rise though, it makes a good argument. Falstaft, 1977, Holko and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Romão 2,274 Posted July 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2020 The Spark scene was clearly shot and edited to allow JW's music to carry the load. And what a highlight that was Holko, Remco, blondheim and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yannick 40 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 27 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: I got chills when I first heard "We Go Together" in the theaters. Some other great in-movie moments include the non-edited parts of Approaching the Throne, the desert shot of the Knights of Ren, "Parents," "Rey and Ben Team Up," and all other statements of the "We Go Together" theme And what about "Reunion"? Oh, my heart... I was crying more than Finn. That would have been enough but then BOOM, here you have "A new Home" and a new Binary Sunset, so you have to cry MORE. Those were almost silent scenes. Just a bit of dialogue but not very much, incredibly well done. Falstaft and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted July 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2020 Rey's Training is another one, especially the nostalgic string theme near the beginning when Leia reassures Rey. Yannick, Falstaft, Tiburon and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Yannick 40 Posted July 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2020 Indeed. I don't know how that wasn't released. But I have to say I prefer the part while she's going through the course. So epic, one of the best versions of Rey's theme IMO, alongside this one: Taikomochi, Tiburon and Not Mr. Big 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Yannick said: Indeed. I don't know how that wasn't released. But I have to say I prefer the part while she's going through the course. So epic, one of the best versions of Rey's theme IMO, alongside this one: Yes! I love when Williams plays that theme with the descending bass line, ending on the VI chord (like the flute statement at the end of The Scavenger or Lesson Two) Falstaft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SilverTrumpet 638 Posted July 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2020 I gotta say, that We Go Together theme gets me every time, still, to this day. I feel like I'm the only one who's legitimately emotionally moved by it, which says something considering I felt nothing at all for the film itself. Just the music alone does it. Remco, Falstaft, Arpy and 5 others 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arpy 4,145 Posted July 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, SilverTrumpet said: I gotta say, that We Go Together theme gets me every time, still, to this day. I feel like I'm the only one who's legitimately emotionally moved by it, which says something considering I felt nothing at all for the film itself. Just the music alone does it. You're not alone, it's my favourite track! I love how it moves from the Trio theme to Rey's Theme to the Force Theme and then back for a rousing statement of the Trio theme again! Not Mr. Big, Falstaft, Remco and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 8,016 Posted July 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2020 I love the final statement in the scene where they reunite. Both victory and friendship themes have this fairy tale ending feel that give this score a sense of finality. Something that Return of the Jedi never really gave us. Karol Molly Weasley, blondheim, Tiburon and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted July 19, 2020 Share Posted July 19, 2020 “Luke and Leia” meets that emotional need, I think, but it’s so underused that’s it’s never really allowed to serve that purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Yannick 40 Posted July 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2020 On 7/17/2020 at 1:05 PM, Not Mr. Big said: Yes! I love when Williams plays that theme with the descending bass line, ending on the VI chord (like the flute statement at the end of The Scavenger or Lesson Two) Oh, for sure! I swear I can listen to The training course all day. John Williams goes from the force theme, to a celestial version of Rey's, then to a section of The Rise of Skywalker, to a frenetic and violent version of Rey's, a lighter and soft interpretation of Rey's that includes a pause while she's jumping and finish with an heroic melody. And then, bang! Imperial March and Kylo's theme to end. That's only in one minute and half! And everything is absolutely sincronized with the film. It's nuts! An awesome job of John and the editors. I can't believe that track wasn't in the soundtrack. That shouldn't be legal lol Smaug The Iron, Jay and Not Mr. Big 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SilverTrumpet 638 Posted July 20, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 20, 2020 19 hours ago, crocodile said: I love the final statement in the scene where they reunite. Both victory and friendship themes have this fairy tale ending feel that give this score a sense of finality. Something that Return of the Jedi never really gave us. Karol This is the use of it I always think of when I think of the theme. It was a moment where the music tells you what you're supposed to be feeling. I feel like the movie did a horrible job of making you feel like those three were close friends who loved each other, but the theme made you feel it when it played. Very similar to Across the Stars in that way. Does a much better job of getting across the feeling of what the movie wanted you to feel than the movie itself did. Remco, blondheim, greenturnedblue and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,364 Posted July 20, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 20, 2020 On 7/19/2020 at 12:37 AM, SilverTrumpet said: I gotta say, that We Go Together theme gets me every time, still, to this day. I feel like I'm the only one who's legitimately emotionally moved by it, which says something considering I felt nothing at all for the film itself. Just the music alone does it. Nah it's been a highlight of the score to many of us since the OST dropped. It's great! And yea the scene in the movie is nothing special On 7/19/2020 at 12:41 AM, Arpy said: You're not alone, it's my favourite track! I love how it moves from the Trio theme to Rey's Theme to the Force Theme and then back for a rousing statement of the Trio theme again! It's brilliant! On 7/19/2020 at 3:37 AM, crocodile said: I love the final statement in the scene where they reunite. Both victory and friendship themes have this fairy tale ending feel that give this score a sense of finality. Something that Return of the Jedi never really gave us. I agree that bit is fantastic, and a great sense of finality, but I dunno, the funeral pyre track in Jedi gives a pretty good sense of finality to me. 19 hours ago, Yannick said: I swear I can listen to The training course all day. John Williams goes from the force theme, to a celestial version of Rey's, then to a section of The Rise of Skywalker, to a frenetic and violent version of Rey's, a lighter and soft interpretation of Rey's that includes a pause while she's jumping and finish with an heroic melody. And then, bang! Imperial March and Kylo's theme to end. That's only in one minute and half! And everything is absolutely sincronized with the film. It's nuts! An awesome job of John and the editors. I can't believe that track wasn't in the soundtrack. It's probably the music I've listened to most from the entire score, it's absolutely incredible! Smaug The Iron, crumbs, Mattris and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post artguy360 1,843 Posted July 20, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 20, 2020 The trio theme is one in a long series of instances where JW's music elevates a scene and compensates for what the scene is going for but the writing and acting don't carry off. crumbs, Tiburon, Not Mr. Big and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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