Van_Etten 111 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 Thoughts? artus_grayboot and Erik Woods 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 I suppose that means JW doesn't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted June 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2022 When was yodas theme in the show? Holt mentions it in a recent interview doesnt she? igger6, artus_grayboot and Oswin Pond 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 534 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 9 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said: When was yodas theme in the show? Holt mentions it in a recent interview doesnt she? Deleted Yoda Scene confirmed!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondFire 67 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 1 hour ago, TheAvengerButton said: Woof, came in to see what kinds of things people were saying about the score and now I'll be bowing out due to the weird conspiracy theories about John Williams, Giacchino and Lucasfilm staff. right? like what is even happening lmaoo 2 hours ago, JNHFan2000 said: I am not able to place Ready To Go & Stormtrooper Patrol. Ok, since the rest of this forum seems to love conspiracy theories so much (and certain people trying to pass them off as fact) I'm gonna have my go at it. 'Ready to Go' feels like an end of episode cue... it could've been the end to episode 1 or 5? Bofur01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,038 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 48 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said: When was yodas theme in the show? Holt mentions it in a recent interview doesnt she? These interviews make no sense Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artus_grayboot 77 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 Am taking some of what's said on here with interest, as I had no idea there was a situation with Rogue One. Anyone care to cite some sources for this? This is the first I'm hearing of it. But I do agree that there are some weird sentiments being expressed in these Obi-Wan interviews. Why not just check to see if the John Williams material can be used? Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mstrox 6,651 Posted June 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2022 You’re not going to find an official source for the Rogue One stuff. I will say that the three people who I’ve heard talk about it have been well sourced, industry workers, and completely legitimate (one of whom was a 20-year user here who recently deleted their account; another an unrelated industry source at FSM; and third, Doug Adams who would not be telling these tales out of school). If that’s what James Southall is on about, I’d trust all three of those sources over him. If he’s talking about the Holt situation, I’d probably trust Southall over a JWFan user picked at random, but who knows. I noticed and liked plenty of score by both Holt and Ross in the series and I look forward to hearing it, regardless of how the sausage was made. MikeH, Oswin Pond, Will and 10 others 12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Andy 4,129 Posted June 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2022 Trying to get this straight. Deborah Chow told Holt to compose as though they're not allowed to use JW themes, because they are looking into it. JW is brought in to compose Obi Theme, and William Ross is given the okay to use themes, but only in the last episode. Doug Adams implies yesterday on Twitter that withholding his themes in the Obi Score is consistent with JW being unhappy with Giacchino using his themes on Rogue One, which was then quickly rescored. Doug also implies that that's why Williams took greater interest in Solo, after not being asked to score Rogue One himself. James Southall tweets that the above is false, that John Williams indeed does NOT get possessive about how and where his themes are used in LFL projects. Dr. Know, igger6, Edmilson and 5 others 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artus_grayboot 77 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 9 minutes ago, mstrox said: You’re not going to find an official source for the Rogue One stuff. I will say that the three people who I’ve heard talk about it have been well sourced, industry workers, and completely legitimate (one of whom was a 20-year user here who recently deleted their account; another an unrelated industry source at FSM; and third, Doug Adams who would not be telling these tales out of school). If that’s what James Southall is on about, I’d trust all three of those sources over him. If he’s talking about the Holt situation, I’d probably trust Southall over a JWFan user picked at random, but who knows. I noticed and liked plenty of score by both Holt and Ross in the series and I look forward to hearing it, regardless of how the sausage was made. Appreciate it, thanks for your insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DiamondFire 67 Posted June 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2022 artus_grayboot, Tydirium, Holko and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaaaackified 81 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Luke Skywalker said: When was yodas theme in the show? Holt mentions it in a recent interview doesnt she? I guess it has to do with the rumor that Episode 6 was going to feature yoda? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 13 minutes ago, DiamondFire said: Interesting. Tim Burden is pretty legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaaaackified 81 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Tydirium said: Interesting. Tim Burden is pretty legit. A bit confused here, so the RO situation is MG used a lot of JW's themes (understandably and expected considered his extremely limited time of finishing the assignment) but had the majority of his interpolation/reference/adaptation negated because of what reason exactly? If it was for legality and credit, the album does have "original SW music by John Williams" on the cover Is this the reason why MG had to write his own Imperial Suite (which I like a lot) because he wasn't allowed to use Imperial March that much? artus_grayboot and Courtney Sees Ghosts 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artus_grayboot 77 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 Random but wanted to share this. Uses Across the Stars DarthDementous and Andy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondFire 67 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 1 minute ago, artus_grayboot said: Random but wanted to share this. Uses Across the Stars It needs to be slighty more subtle and I'm totally here for it Oswin Pond and artus_grayboot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Evanus 217 Posted June 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2022 26 minutes ago, Jaaaackified said: A bit confused here, so the RO situation is MG used a lot of JW's themes (understandably and expected considered his extremely limited time of finishing the assignment) but had the majority of his interpolation/reference/adaptation negated because of what reason exactly? If it was for legality and credit, the album does have "original SW music by John Williams" on the cover Is this the reason why MG had to write his own Imperial Suite (which I like a lot) because he wasn't allowed to use Imperial March that much? As I understand it, Giacchino used a lot of Williams stuff initially. Basically reusing large portions of music from the original films, without really changing anything. Meaning the score would've consisted mostly of Williams material. He'd have to be credited as the main composer. Williams wasn't happy, so he requested them to use less of his music in such an overt manner. Resulting in Giacchino having to rewrite most of it last minute. But I don't know more than anyone else, I just read all the comments about it in the RO thread here a while ago. Whole situation seemed like a giant mess, that's for sure.. DangerMotif, artus_grayboot, crumbs and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post p0llux 398 Posted June 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2022 I just started listening to the Obi-Wan Album. Track 1 is Williams' Obi-Wan theme. Track 2 is the opening Order 66 action music from ep1. I'm still cringing from the sharp contrast in styles. From beautiful sweeping orchestral to modern RCP banging drums and brass. Just like when I first heard it, hearing that opening action cue just sets the precedent for the rest of score and it's a harsh reminder of what modern film scoring has become. crumbs, DiamondFire, Andy and 8 others 9 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeH 768 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 29 minutes ago, Jaaaackified said: A bit confused here, so the RO situation is MG used a lot of JW's themes (understandably and expected considered his extremely limited time of finishing the assignment) but had the majority of his interpolation/reference/adaptation negated because of what reason exactly? If it was for legality and credit, the album does have "original SW music by John Williams" on the cover Is this the reason why MG had to write his own Imperial Suite (which I like a lot) because he wasn't allowed to use Imperial March that much? Here’s some of the discussion from a few years back. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van_Etten 111 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 29 minutes ago, p0llux said: I just started listening to the Obi-Wan Album. Track 1 is Williams' Obi-Wan theme. Track 2 is the opening Order 66 action music from ep1. I'm still cringing from the sharp contrast in styles. From beautiful sweeping orchestral to modern RCP banging drums and brass. Just like when I first heard it, hearing that opening action cue just sets the precedent for the rest of score and it's a harsh reminder of what modern film scoring has become. The beginning of the action cue clearly sounds to me like a 1:1 rehash of this moment from Batman Begins. 2:24 p0llux, Chewy, Tydirium and 2 others 1 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 46 minutes ago, Evanus said: Williams wasn't happy, so he requested them to use less of his music in such an overt manner. Resulting in Giacchino having to rewrite most of it last minute. I thought Rogue One was already a last-minute hurry job, as Desplat was fired a few months before the release date and Gia had basically two weeks to write and record everything. So, even with so little time he basically scored the movie twice? Bofur01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenturnedblue 372 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 10 minutes ago, Edmilson said: I thought Rogue One was already a last-minute hurry job, as Desplat was fired a few months before the release date and Gia had basically two weeks to write and record everything. So, even with so little time he basically scored the movie twice? If true it would explain why there is the same motif that is used constantly throughout the movie which is also lifted directly from his war of the planet of the apes score 2:47-4:00 from 'A Tide in the Affairs of Apes' 1:04-1:30 'Jedah Arrival' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,964 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 I believe I have found another, very subtle' qoute of The Imperial March theme. Cue 26. No Further Use at 2:10. michael_grig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanus 217 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 7 minutes ago, Edmilson said: I thought Rogue One was already a last-minute hurry job, as Desplat was fired a few months before the release date and Gia had basically two weeks to write and record everything. So, even with so little time he basically scored the movie twice? Yeah, pretty much. I don't envy being in that position. In hindsight, it turned out better than Holt's Obi-Wan... somehow. And I don't even like RO's score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,129 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 50 minutes ago, p0llux said: I just started listening to the Obi-Wan Album. Track 1 is Williams' Obi-Wan theme. Track 2 is the opening Order 66 action music from ep1. I'm still cringing from the sharp contrast in styles. From beautiful sweeping orchestral to modern RCP banging drums and brass. Just like when I first heard it, hearing that opening action cue just sets the precedent for the rest of score and it's a harsh reminder of what modern film scoring has become. Yep, me too. The contrast from Track 1 to Track 2 couldn't be greater. I'm halfway through, and trying to keep an open mind. Truly, I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Edmilson 7,457 Posted June 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2022 15 minutes ago, greenturnedblue said: If true it would explain why there is the same motif that is used constantly throughout the movie which is also lifted directly from his war of the planet of the apes score 2:47-4:00 from 'A Tide in the Affairs of Apes' 1:04-1:30 'Jedah Arrival' War for the Planet of the Apes was released in July 2017, seven months after Rogue One. So, if anything, he reused on Apes his R1 motif. But I checked the two cues and they sound like standard Giacchino "suspense" music, he may have used this motif before in stuff like Lost... lol 1 minute ago, Evanus said: Yeah, pretty much. I don't envy being in that position. In hindsight, it turned out better than Holt's Obi-Wan... somehow. And I don't even like RO's score. I'm not a fan of R1 as well, but it's like A New Hope when compared to Holt's Obi-Wan music. Evanus, crumbs, Tydirium and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony 572 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 I only watched the first episode of the show and realised it was terrible - but did we establish who wrote the opening logo music? (Literally the very first thing you hear) DiamondFire 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,894 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, Anthony said: I only watched the first episode of the show and realised it was terrible - but did we establish who wrote the opening logo music? (Literally the very first thing you hear) Ross uses that motif in most of his cues, so definitely him, as we already suspected. Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brando 1,863 Posted June 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2022 Everytime I go into this thread there’s a brand new update, completely and entirely different from the last, which then unfolds into a new story as to what’s going on. Everyday there’s a new story about how this music was written. It’s incredible. It’s the best mystery novel I’ve ever read. artus_grayboot, Oswin Pond, Tiburon and 12 others 2 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,129 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 Brando and MrJosh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted June 26, 2022 Share Posted June 26, 2022 Man, I just realized this soundtrack is less than an hour and a half long. I can't believe this. For Bad Batch, we got two volumes, and each one was two hours long. Dr. Know and enderdrag64 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,894 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Probably because of AFM. Not that Disney couldn't afford those fees though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 "First Rescue" is pretty good. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMotif 1,038 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 Some things can’t be forgotten is the best by far for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Know 326 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 4 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Ross uses that motif in most of his cues, so definitely him, as we already suspected. Huh? I thought it was Joseph Shirley... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,894 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 12 minutes ago, Dr. Know said: Huh? I thought it was Joseph Shirley... He wrote the intro they used for The Mandalorian, not Kenobi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 What time do we expect the official release to drop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,894 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, Will said: What time do we expect the official release to drop? It did this morning (~12 hours ago). It's also been on YouTube all day. Probably at midnight in every timezone. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DarthDementous 1,059 Posted June 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2022 It genuinely feels like Spotify has accidentally auto-played a cue from a different soundtrack whenever the William Ross tracks play. There really is no good reason William Ross shouldn't have been in charge of the whole thing from the start The Journey Begins is a lovely track EDIT: I take that back slightly, 'Bail and Leia' is pretty decent and the jump from 'The Journey Begins' to it was not that significant Bilbo, Andy and Tydirium 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew 590 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 The album mix sounds like a Ramin Djawadi recording. How sickening! artus_grayboot and Tydirium 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 I'm excited to dive into this release even though it is incomplete and the music so far has been unremarkable. I want to give it a fair shot and am always at least slightly interested in new SW music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 "First Rescue" is a great cue. Still puzzled by the title, though. Is it possible it was originally meant for the rooftop chase scene? Its placement on the album could seem to indicate. And as if there was any doubt, all the legacy themes referenced in the last episode were handled by Ross, not Holt. artus_grayboot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GerateWohl 4,370 Posted June 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2022 At first listen of the album: Holt's action music I still find really terrible. But the lyrical cue "Bail and Leia" is not so bad. Andy, Tiburon, Tydirium and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post artguy360 1,843 Posted June 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2022 Listened to the whole album, my overall thoughts are that this isn't music I will revisit often if at all. It's serviceable but not very interesting and that includes the contributions by William Ross. Here are some specific observations: Order 66 starts off well with soothing strings, but when the percussion kicks in it all becomes generic modern action music. Young Leia is actually pretty nice. Days of Alderaan is another pleasant track. Nothing bad about it at all. Empire Arrival grates at me the same way the Imperial music in Rogue One does. It sounds too over the top. I know that's a strange criticism given how camp the Imperial March is, but this music sounds too heavy handed. Oswin Pond, artus_grayboot, Holko and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 894 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 9 hours ago, JNHFan2000 said: I believe I have found another, very subtle' qoute of The Imperial March theme. Cue 26. No Further Use at 2:10. This sounds undeniable to me. So what the heck scene is this for (I assume it's in Ep 6)? Had Vader—in Chow and/or Holt's estimation—"earned" his theme yet by this point, whatever point it is? Sheesh, what a ride. I'm with @Brando. Andy and artus_grayboot 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondFire 67 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 9 hours ago, JNHFan2000 said: I believe I have found another, very subtle' qoute of The Imperial March theme. Cue 26. No Further Use at 2:10. Pretty sure I pointed that out when the episode first came out :() 26 minutes ago, artguy360 said: Listened to the whole album, my overall thoughts are that this isn't music I will revisit often if at all. It's serviceable but not very interesting and that includes the contributions by William Ross. Here are some specific observations: Order 66 starts off well with soothing strings, but when the percussion kicks in it all becomes generic modern action music. Young Leia is actually pretty nice. Days of Alderaan is another pleasant track. Nothing bad about it at all. Empire Arrival grates at me the same way the Imperial music in Rogue One does. It sounds too over the top. I know that's a strange criticism given how camp the Imperial March is, but this music sounds too heavy handed. I can back this for the most part. Empire Arrival I seem to have soft spot for though haha. I really enjoy that unused song 'Ready to Go' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DarthDementous 1,059 Posted June 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2022 I made the mistake of listening to this after the Kenobi album: Hearing this energy and sophistication of writing is like feeling the warmth of the sun on your face after staying the night in a cold damp cave Tydirium, Not Mr. Big, Andy and 6 others 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GerateWohl 4,370 Posted June 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2022 9 minutes ago, DarthDementous said: I made the mistake of listening to this after the Kenobi album: Hearing this energy and sophistication of writing is like feeling the warmth of the sun on your face after staying the night in a cold damp cave But this swashbuckler sound wouldn't have made any sense in Kenobi. And also here in Powell's piece I passionately abhor these drums. Andy, DarthDementous and artus_grayboot 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 31 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: But this swashbuckler sound wouldn't have made any sense in Kenobi. And also here in Powell's piece I passionately abhor these drums. I mean, Kenobi ultimately ended up being generic Star Wars in tone so yeah a swashbuckling sound would've fit just as well as it fit in the originals Just out of curiosity, how did you feel about the drums in the Kenobi show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GerateWohl 4,370 Posted June 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2022 52 minutes ago, DarthDementous said: Just out of curiosity, how did you feel about the drums in the Kenobi show? There is a combination of hammering taiko drums, very high staccato violins and low brass ostinatos and even electronic rhythm support that can be heard for example in Order 66 and Inquisitor's Hunt that first of all sounds like Pirates of the Caribean or Gladiator, that I really dislike because it is killing most of the power of that wonderful body of sound of the orchestra. You have a collection of between 60 and 80 instruments and if you use them in a smart way you can unfold the biggest scale of dynamics and musical power, which was the original idea of using an orchestra in motion picture scores. But such kind of sound bricks that I described in the beginning is unworthy for such kind of instrumentation in my oppinion. This is really something, that you can create on your computer in your home studio with sound samples, if you like that. At least I can say, that is music, that I am completely uninterested in. There might be very very rare moments where a well prepared climax might sound like that. But this is obviously some kind multitrack trial and error studio composing type of music that is in my mind ok if you do techno or some other dancefloor stuff or maybe even an electronic score. But don't call that an orchestral score. But that's just my subjective old fashioned stubborn oppinion. aj_vader, DarthDementous, Madmartigan JC and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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