The La-La Land Black Friday 2023 thread

[FunnyML 82]

If Elfman's Red Dragon is one of the titles, you heard it first from me

[Edmilson 7,466]

I have a fear that, due to Elfman's recent controversies, this will be the last year we'll get expansions from his scores in a while. So, if we don't get Spider-Man 2 in 2023, we may not get it at all 

[A. A. Ron 1,742]

5 minutes ago, Edmilson said:

I have a fear that, due to Elfman's recent controversies, this will be the last year we'll get expansions from his scores in a while. So, if we don't get Spider-Man 2 in 2023, we may not get it at all 

You think the labels would cancel one of their best selling composers?

[1977 1,743]

Has Elfman had any upcoming assignments cancelled in the wake of the accusations?

[Edmilson 7,466]

2 hours ago, A. A. Ron said:

You think the labels would cancel one of their best selling composers?

I hope not, but depending of what will happen to Elfman, they may fear the backlash.

 

10 minutes ago, JTWfan77 said:

Has Elfman had any upcoming assignments cancelled in the wake of the accusations?

Not so far... He even seems to be still onboard for Beetlejuice 2. But we don't know how it will evolve.

[bollemanneke 3,349]

1 hour ago, JTWfan77 said:

Has Elfman had any upcoming assignments cancelled in the wake of the accusations?

Uh, what have I missed?

[ddddeeee 257]

1 hour ago, JTWfan77 said:

Has Elfman had any upcoming assignments cancelled in the wake of the accusations?

He mentioned he was scoring a film called The Actor a few months ago. Radio silence since then.

[Faleel 5,353]

42 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

Uh, what have I missed?

IIUC He was accused of sexual misconduct.

[bollemanneke 3,349]

Oh dear. It really is everywhere isn't it?

[Richard Penna 3,694]

If he had been dropped from any scoring assignments I wouldn't be completely shocked, as the same happens to actors if they are accused of something due to the usual PR reasons.

 

I'd be surprised and disappointed if any expansion plans were shelved or cancelled though. It's a private matter for Elfman.

[Marian Schedenig 8,200]

58 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

Oh dear. It really is everywhere isn't it?

 

Always has been, but men used to be better at covering it up (or not having to because people simply didn't care).

[A. A. Ron 1,742]

Well in Danny’s case it really does sound like he wasn’t being creepy at all though. He just turned down the advances of a crazy person and she wanted revenge. At least, that was my impression when I last looked into this a few months ago.

[Faleel 5,353]

42 minutes ago, A. A. Ron said:

Well in Danny’s case it really does sound like he wasn’t being creepy at all though. He just turned down the advances of a crazy person and she wanted revenge. At least, that was my impression when I last looked into this a few months ago.

A second woman came forward with accusations:

[A. A. Ron 1,742]

Oh good.

[JTN 2,030]

7 hours ago, Presto said:

A second woman came forward with accusations:

Well then it MUST be true. 

[1977 1,743]

15 hours ago, Edmilson said:

I hope not, but depending of what will happen to Elfman, they may fear the backlash.

 

Or the studios could refuse to licence his music to the labels. Then again our little niche is so tiny it may not even register if they were to allow further licences.

[bollemanneke 3,349]

1 hour ago, JTW said:

Well then it MUST be true. 

Do we really think people are wanting to destroy some film composer's career just out of spite? Who cares about Elfman in the bigger scheme of things?

 

EDIT: Just realised you might not have been sarcastic at all, sorry.

[JTN 2,030]

59 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

Just realised you might not have been sarcastic at all, sorry.

I was. Until Elfman is found guilty, it's a mere witch-hunt in order to extort money from a famous film composer and to destroy his life and career. 

[Jurassic Shark 12,079]

Witch hunt? Isn't it more like a wizard hunt?

[Tallguy 3,398]

1 hour ago, bollemanneke said:

Do we really think people are wanting to destroy some film composer's career just out of spite?

 

YES.

[Richard Penna 3,694]

If a relationship has gone south and someone wants some payback, definitely.

 

We're drifting off topic. I'd hope that in the last 15 years Elfman has cooled and made up with Raimi and might be open to Spidey 3. It's an annoying case where the various leaks have nearly everything from the film, but not quite.

[JTN 2,030]

1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said:

Witch hunt? Isn't it more like a wizard hunt?

Were wizards burned at the stake in The Middle Ages as well? 

 

One man I know of is Giordano Bruno, but I don't think he was considered a "wizard" per se, but a heretic.

[Jurassic Shark 12,079]

Dunno.

[Tallguy 3,398]

2 minutes ago, JTW said:

Were wizards burned at the stake in The Middle Ages as well? 

 

Not the talented ones.

[MedigoScan 324]

You can call it a witchhunt, but these kinds of witches actually exist.

That said when it involves someone I dont know personally and also whose work I like, I am naturally inclined to hope he is innocent.

[mstrox 6,651]

Elfman’s career likely hasn’t taken a significant hit - he’s still playing sold out shows, including one shortly after the second credible accusation.  Louis CK got in trouble for doing the same thing (and more regularly than what Elfman has been accused of at this point) and he’s still doing his thing.
 

Apparently Elfman’s just hoping to publicly ignore it (except for the very cringey PR spin for the release of his new website).  I’d suspect that the only thing that would stop the labels from releasing Elfman scores is if they release scores that underperform in some way that is traceable to these accusations.

[Bellosh 3,419]

man I really hope we get a complete The Patriot.

 

I've been listening to it lately, as it reminds of the Holidays for some reason.

[Marian Schedenig 8,200]

6 minutes ago, MedigoScan said:

That said when it involves someone I dont know personally and also whose work I like, I am naturally inclined to hope he is innocent.

 

That's natural and alright. But what comes up again and again in this situations is man A (liked by people) is accused of woman B (unknown to people) of sexual assault, and because people like A they immediately start blaming B.

 

"Innocent until proven guilty" goes both ways. Also, it's an inaccurate phrase, because if A has indeed assaulted B, he's obviously guilty of it since the moment of the assault. He doesn't *become* guilty by being *proven* guilty, he should just not be strictly assumed to be guilty without evidence. Until then, the situation is unresolved (Schrödinger's cat, if you will).

 

History has shown that this kinds of predatory behaviour is not uncommon, and has frequently been ignored because it's committed by powerful people against those not in power, who are then immediately further discredited (see partly above) by people who don't know one way or another. There have been plenty of well known cases (Weinstein, to name just a tip of the iceberg - or Levine, where even I as a non-insider was aware of his behaviour for years before it suddenly caused a scandal) where the accusations have been correct (and had been long ignored, although known to many people). As far as I know, there have been few cases where such accusations were levelled (especially by multiple people) without cause. That doesn't automatically make Elfman guilty - but it certainly doesn't automatically make his accusers guilty (or prove him guilt*less*).

[OneBuckFilms 323]

History has ALSO shown that false accusations occur, and often enough to form a pattern.

 

Whenever these things happen, there is a lot of accusations and little evidence at first.

 

It takes time a diligence to get to the truth, and we have to err on the side of caution lest we make an error in either party's direction.

 

This is why we have a presumption of innocence.

[Tallguy 3,398]

22 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said:

"Innocent until proven guilty" goes both ways. Also, it's an inaccurate phrase, because if A has indeed assaulted B, he's obviously guilty of it since the moment of the assault. He doesn't *become* guilty by being *proven* guilty, he should just not be strictly assumed to be guilty without evidence. Until then, the situation is unresolved (Schrödinger's cat, if you will).

 

Considered to be innocent and having the legal rights and privileges of an innocent person until proven otherwise?

 

"he should just not be strictly assumed to be guilty without evidence" -- Without evidence he should not be loosely assumed to be guilty either.

[Marian Schedenig 8,200]

3 hours ago, Tallguy said:

"he should just not be strictly assumed to be guilty without evidence" -- Without evidence he should not be loosely assumed to be guilty either.

 

But neither should the other party.

[Jay 37,369]

8 1/2 days to go!

 

[Dr. Rick 1,157]

Well, I've noticed you're changing your avatar for the countdown as well so it must be something huge that you've been waiting on for a while now...

 

[Faleel 5,353]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Rick said:

Well, I've noticed you're changing your avatar for the countdown as well so it must be something huge that you've been waiting on for a while now...

 

"I don't  know what you are talking about, I don't know anything about what titles are being released" ~ Jay

[Jay 37,369]

Last year's thread had the same countdown clock

 

https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/35022-la-la-land-records-black-friday-2022/

[mstrox 6,651]

I just assumed Jay really loved eating turkey

[Dr. Rick 1,157]

4 minutes ago, Jay said:

Last year's thread had the same countdown clock

 

https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/35022-la-la-land-records-black-friday-2022/

 

Yeah but I'm talking about your avatar changing daily to match

[Richard Penna 3,694]

It's actually the countdown to my last working Friday of the year (i.e. 4 day weeks for a bit). Big day.

 

Plus, I hear some label is releasing some scores a few people might like....  

[Bellosh 3,419]

such an exciting time of the year

 

good food.  good company.  expanded scores.

[enderdrag64 624]

8 minutes ago, Dr. Rick said:

 

Yeah but I'm talking about your avatar changing daily to match

That happened last year too

[filip 53]

Fingers crossed it's nothing I want immediately. 2poor.

[Edmilson 7,466]

What potential John Williams scores can we look forward to being expanded by LLL this year?

[OneBuckFilms 323]

No idea.

 

We all have our wish lists...

 

My ideal would be the Indiana Jones scores complete and properly mastered (correct speed for example). Problem is it's Disney Records (based on the reissues of the Concord releases in some markets).

[Bellosh 3,419]

[Bespin 8,483]

Hmmm, where's that 'BAN' button again...

 

[Yavar Moradi 2,599]

You definitely made me chuckle @Bellosh but I'm curious which remaining Goldsmith @ 20th Century Fox scores you are most hoping for to get expanded/remastered in that LLL series (which to be fair they do claim is still ongoing). Personally, I'd love the missing music from Shock Treatment more than anything, and that great score deserves to be back in print since the Intrada has been unavailable for so long. I'd also love the missing film cues from Justine, but I imagine that would get a standalone (not in the Goldsmith@20th series) expansion with the unique album recording, because the latter is owned by Universal Music.

 

Yavar

[Stark 316]

LLL on the road to fault the “Release no Goldsmith” challenge, difficult impossible 

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

4 hours ago, Jay said:

Last year's thread had the same countdown clock

 

https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/35022-la-la-land-records-black-friday-2022/

And we got Amistad…

[Faleel 5,353]

13 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said:

And we got Amistad…

And Tomorrow Never Dies...

[blondheim 1,157]

I’m excited and hopeful for this year’s batch to be something special but every year is great in its own way. I’m not worried.