Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 The train your dragon scores from sound like loud bussy souless music. Parts of Solo are like this, i dont enjoy the CD from start to finish like i do Rogue one. I dont very much like the HTTYD film so maybe that's it. I rather have most of the giacchino output. sorry Joni Wiljami, Fabulin and Evanus 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Yes exactly, kind of very "cool" and inventive but in the end soulless. No heart. Like hansu. Could be played by the samples no need for the orchestra, cant hear the difference. Evanus and Fabulin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 I never got the How To Train Your Dragon hype either .I listened to it and maybe there was a cue or 2 I kind of liked Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted May 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 16, 2020 The drums what is this a rock band? Stop this madness. I listened to John Powell and now never again. Don't listen to that man but John Towner Williams is my best friend, so keep that orchestra real man. Too loud for me all this rumble rumble stuff. My worn out shoe has more soul than this what the hell. And the drums again are awful I know my perucssion cuz my brother's physician's niece's godfather's second cousin Ted, he has a dog, and the guy who walks it is a part-time freelance timpanist and he told me all about cheap drums and omg these are those. Very cheap and I saw a little kid with this drums through the window of the dollar store and it's cheap imported plastic drums for sure. I cannot believe this hype I gotta go back to listen to Rogue One now bye-bye. Disco Stu, Bofur01, Edmilson and 6 others 2 1 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 That's cool that JW checked in with Powell occasionally even after the demos were recorded and Powell was writing his own material! So his involvement was definitely much greater than merely writing the two main themes and then leaving the project entirely behind, which is what I'd initially assumed was the case. As for the (absolutely awesome!!) related passages with Han's theme in "Hyperspace" and "Flying With Chewie" -- I've long assumed they were both based closely off of JW sketches. However, particularly for "Hyperspace," I do feel like there is definitely some Powell enhancement added. The brass flourishes seem a tad too extroverted to me to be pure JW... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 yeah so, basically we don't know what JW suggested or added after he recorded the main theme like I've said all along. some of the themes like Mine Mission sound too much like Williams that he might have had a hand in them. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 HanZolo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 On 5/16/2020 at 1:15 PM, King Mark said: yeah so, basically we don't know what JW suggested or added after he recorded the main theme like I've said all along. It's funny to read everyone in this thread saying this or that part of the Solo score HAS to be JW, it sounds so much like him, when we just went through all this with the "Anthony Daniels videos". Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,367 Posted September 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2020 A new edition of Powell's score is coming to digital streaming by Disney Records Hopefully this editions contains all of Williams' LA recordings and not just the concert arrangement recording Jurassic Shark, crumbs and Falstaft 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 nice to see they prioritize this over the sequel scores And I'm sure the 3 c.d set of Rogue One will be out 10 years before expanded editions of Williams scores Edmilson and Joni Wiljami 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpvee 805 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Powell commented this will contain 5+ minutes of new Williams! Cerebral Cortex and Amer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 The Adventures of Han. More like The Adventures of John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 41 minutes ago, rpvee said: Powell commented this will contain 5+ minutes of new Williams! Right, but I assume that means 5 minutes of Powell's score that use Williams themes or are re-recorded moments from the LA demos - not that the actual LA demos will be here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 9 hours ago, Jay said: A new edition of Powell's score is coming to digital streaming by Disney Records Hopefully this editions contains all of Williams' LA recordings and not just the concert arrangement recording Cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 On 9/23/2020 at 3:42 AM, Jay said: Right, but I assume that means 5 minutes of Powell's score that use Williams themes or are re-recorded moments from the LA demos - not that the actual LA demos will be here This. Williams' demo cues were never intended for usage. Plus, they were recorded in LA, which complicates things in terms of re-use fees etc. Whatever Powell used and re-recorded from those demos will likely be presented, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 And since (I assume) everything Williams wrote was used anyway it's not a huge problem. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 25 minutes ago, TownerFan said: This. Williams' demo cues were never intended for usage. Plus, they were recorded in LA, which complicates things in terms of re-use fees etc. Whatever Powell used and re-recorded from those demos will likely be presented, though. He said as much when I asked him about the LA demos. Sadly I don't get the impression that everything Williams recorded in LA was repurposed verbatim in the London sessions, only fragments here and there. Seems unlikely we'll ever hear the early LA demos beyond a session leak. Curious to see whether Powell divulges a bit more information about which cues have pure Williams material once the Deluxe Edition comes out. Personally I prefer the mystery; it's a testament to Powell's craft that he was able to blend their two styles so seamlessly and keep us guessing. Evanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 That is the bummer about these major label expansions vs the specialty label expansions - the nicely researched liner notes that go into detail about how the score came together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Well, we don't know yet, maybe this will have an in-depth digital booklet? Has anyone asked Powell about it yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BrotherSound 2,242 Posted September 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 24, 2020 1 hour ago, crumbs said: Curious to see whether Powell divulges a bit more information about which cues have pure Williams material once the Deluxe Edition comes out. There’s several cues that make reference to “JW score“ and “sketch”: 1M1 Opening (“Meet Han”) 3M17 Walk to Dryden’s 5M32 Kessel Run Pt. 1 (“Reminiscence Therapy”) 7M47-48 To Tatooine (“Dice and Roll”) Jay, crumbs, CGCJ and 5 others 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 No surprise on Dice and Roll! BrotherSound and Fabulin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,317 Posted September 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 24, 2020 JW must have been itching to write another Star Wars finale that wasn't a bloody Binary Sunset reprise! And he didn't waste the opportunity; easily the best credits lead-in since AOTC. Sigh... a whole trilogy of missed opportunities in the sequels Falstaft, MikeH, Tiburon and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WilliamsStarShip2282 308 Posted September 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 24, 2020 Personally, I think this is the version everyone has been waiting for Disco Stu, pete, toothless and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Sounds like Powell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post igger6 894 Posted May 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 5, 2021 I've been mainlining Star Wars tracks for two days, as is my custom this time of year, and wasn't it a treat to hear this little chestnut spontaneously evolve into existence about a minute into "You Got a Name?" from TFA, as Han leads Rey, Finn, and BB-8 into Maz's bar... I know, I know. But wouldn't it be something if it were? Falstaft, Cerebral Cortex and TheAvengerButton 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,660 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 1 hour ago, igger6 said: I've been mainlining Star Wars tracks for two days, as is my custom this time of year, and wasn't it a treat to hear this little chestnut spontaneously evolve into existence about a minute into "You Got a Name?" from TFA, as Han leads Rey, Finn, and BB-8 into Maz's bar... I know, I know. But wouldn't it be something if it were? I would have loved a little snippet of Han's theme in ROS. Cerebral Cortex and igger6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaft 2,132 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 1 hour ago, igger6 said: I've been mainlining Star Wars tracks for two days, as is my custom this time of year, and wasn't it a treat to hear this little chestnut spontaneously evolve into existence about a minute into "You Got a Name?" from TFA, as Han leads Rey, Finn, and BB-8 into Maz's bar... I know, I know. But wouldn't it be something if it were? Hey, you never know -- maybe Haab was inspired by the motif at 1:06 (which is exactly the first 6 notes of Solo's Han Theme) when writing "Han's Kessel Run" for Battlefront II. And then Williams was inspired by Haab. And around it goes. igger6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 894 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Sorry, @Falstaft, not even a scholar of your caliber can pry me out of my denial about the Haab-Solo connection. I’ll go to my fiery grave in the core of Starkiller Base insisting it was a coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,894 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 41 minutes ago, igger6 said: Sorry, @Falstaft, not even a scholar of your caliber can pry me out of my denial about the Haab-Solo connection. I’ll go to my fiery grave in the core of Starkiller Base insisting it was a coincidence. Even with the obvious temp tracking is TROS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAvengerButton 175 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 17 hours ago, igger6 said: I've been mainlining Star Wars tracks for two days, as is my custom this time of year, and wasn't it a treat to hear this little chestnut spontaneously evolve into existence about a minute into "You Got a Name?" from TFA, as Han leads Rey, Finn, and BB-8 into Maz's bar... I know, I know. But wouldn't it be something if it were? Reminds me of when I was watching The Force Awakens and heard Anthem of Evil playing all throughout the underscore for Kylo Ren's first tantrum scene. How does Johnny baby do this shit? You can actually hear a bit of it on the official soundtrack version of The Girl With The Staff at around 1:15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 894 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 18 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Even with the obvious temp tracking is TROS? I find it more plausible that JW mimicked the stylistic features of a temp track at the eleventh hour for a comparatively minor individual cue than that he cribbed the main phrase of a major theme that was his chief contribution to a score. Listening to "Han's Kessel Run" again as I write this, I also notice that the five notes that make up JW's Han theme actually appear in the second phrase of Haab's theme, as a permutation of the opening melody with the same rhythm but slightly different notes. And the identical notes are really a transition to the louder and more dominant four notes that close the second line. (I'm sure there are better musical terms for all this.) If the melody were written out as text, the identical portion would be lowercase, while the final four notes would be all caps and italic. I'm still not convinced that JW personally listens to every note of everyone else's scores, and I probably won't be until I hear him say it himself. But even if he did hear this before writing his Solo theme, I still think it's more a coincidence than anything nefarious. Taken as musical "paragraphs," themes go in different directions. (UPDATE: I looked up the conversation on Haab's Facebook, and he actually says "Total coincidence" himself.) But all that said, it's still the best thing Haab ever wrote. It's catchy, melodic, and not easily traceable to any specific prior Williams piece. In my experience, it's hard to find another cue on the BF1 or BF2 albums that hit that trifecta. (But I'm willing to be proven wrong if anyone wants to proffer a track.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post igger6 894 Posted September 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 10, 2021 The Film Symphony Orchestra just debuted their performance of AoH, and it rocks! Give it a look and fall in love with this piece all over again! These guys should do a Blu-Ray… Cerebral Cortex, Smeltington, Joni Wiljami and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, igger6 said: The Film Symphony Orchestra just debuted their performance of AoH, and it rocks! Give it a look and fall in love with this piece all over again! These guys should do a Blu-Ray… Lots of energy! Great performance. Works substantially better with the faster tempo. Anyone know how fast Williams conducted it last weekend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, crumbs said: Anyone know how fast Williams conducted it last weekend? If I remember right it was lively enough, though probably not as fast as that clip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,284 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 50 minutes ago, igger6 said: The Film Symphony Orchestra just debuted their performance of AoH, and it rocks! Give it a look and fall in love with this piece all over again! These guys should do a Blu-Ray… Their technical proficiency seems to be improving quite a bit these days which is great - not that they were bad before but there are certainly fewer shaky moments in the more challenging passages. A fine performance. Is it my imagination or are there a couple of extra bars here and there? Nice to hear some of the orchestral textures not as immediately obvious in the original recording. I just hope that Powell doesn’t get too shafted by orchestras just performing music from Solo as his music is just as good as Williams. I’m pretty sure there was a compilation which did actually feature a Powell cue much to my great surprise although I can’t remember which one it was now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,370 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Tom Guernsey said: I’m pretty sure there was a compilation which did actually feature a Powell cue much to my great surprise although I can’t remember which one it was now! Probably it was the Mine Mission that he got awarded for. This piece shows, just like "The Lost World Theme" in particular how Williams makes those at first glance simple themes interesting by shifting the counterpoints and rhythms to unusual, not obvious patterns. I am not aware of any film composer who does that in such masterful way. Raiders of the SoundtrArk and Tom Guernsey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Tom Guernsey said: Is it my imagination or are there a couple of extra bars here and there? It's certainly longer than on the OST. Could this be the official concert arrangement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,284 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: Probably it was the Mine Mission that he got awarded for. This piece shows, just like "The Lost World Theme" in particular how Williams makes those at first glance simple themes interesting by shifting the conter points and rhythms to unusual, not obvious patterns. I am not aware of any film composer who does that in such masterful way. Yeah I think you might be right. But yeah JW does some interesting stuff with the theme although I still find the segue about halfway through into the more searching part of the theme a little less satisfying. It sounds more like an album edit than a compositional choice even though I’m sure it’s the latter. 2 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: It's certainly longer than on the OST. Could this be the official concert arrangement? Most likely. The changes are fairly minor (if there are any). As I say the extra bars could be me imagination and any orchestral adjustments may just be in the performance/mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Tom Guernsey said: Most likely. The changes are fairly minor (if there are any). As I say the extra bars could be me imagination and any orchestral adjustments may just be in the performance/mix. Just listened to the OST version and now I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Tom Guernsey said: I just hope that Powell doesn’t get too shafted by orchestras just performing music from Solo as his music is just as good as Williams. Powell revealed recently on his Instagram that he's at work on a concert suite from Solo: Falstaft and Tom Guernsey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,284 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: Just listened to the OST version and now I'm not sure. Haha. The changes are certainly marginal at best! Just now, TownerFan said: Powell revealed recently on his Instagram that he's at work on a concert suite from Solo: https://www.instagram.com/p/CTCzhHzPC58/ Hopefully it’ll appear on volume 2 of his music following the surprise one he put out last year (still after some custom art for that if anyone’s up for it… the official artwork is oddly dreadful). Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,370 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 Hopefully Powel's suite will be better than his end credits suite from the score. I was really dissapointed how loveless he just plugged 1:1 excerpts from the score together without any recognizalbe transition between them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 Probably due to time constraints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,284 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 1 hour ago, GerateWohl said: Hopefully Powel's suite will be better than his end credits suite from the score. I was really dissapointed how loveless he just plugged 1:1 excerpts from the score together without any recognizalbe transition between them. I think I’m the only one here who really enjoys the end credits suite. Sure it’s just various cues edited together but i don’t really mind and it covers many of the score’s best ideas. If nothing else, the performance of the main Star Wars theme that kicks it off is punchy and exciting. Makes JW’s own performances from the sequels seem kinda anaemic. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 1 hour ago, GerateWohl said: Hopefully Powel's suite will be better than his end credits suite from the score. I was really dissapointed how loveless he just plugged 1:1 excerpts from the score together without any recognizalbe transition between them. Having a finalized end credit roll upon which the composer can write a proper concert-like suite is a luxury that nowadays isn't allowed to anybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,370 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 Might be. But even though I am not the biggest Michael Giacchino fan, his end credits suite for Rogue One worked far better as a suite of his themes and he had far less time. Tiburon and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,660 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 Fantastic performance. The hero melody seems slightly tweaked, but it might just be the syncopation choices of the orchestra. The timpani explosion at the end--I love this piece. Williams needs to release Galaxy's Edge if for no other reason than to hear FSO's take on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Tom Guernsey said: I think I’m the only one here who really enjoys the end credits suite. Sure it’s just various cues edited together but i don’t really mind and it covers many of the score’s best ideas. If nothing else, the performance of the main Star Wars theme that kicks it off is punchy and exciting. Makes JW’s own performances from the sequels seem kinda anaemic. I agree with this. Powell really brought the energy back to those older themes in Solo, but it really feels like Williams going through the motions in the sequels. His best work in the sequels, unsurprisingly, is with new material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 What Williams did with The Emperor's Theme in Falcon Flight is very inspired! But yes most of the ST highlights revolve around ST themes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 Yeah that is one highlight that shines above the rest, but you'd be hard pressed to find many other OT theme renditions (used in both the ST and PT) that didn't have far more inspired renditions in the prequels. He was clearly more interested in developing new ideas and I'm totally on-board for that. Rey's Theme and the Resistance March being obvious standouts in the sequels. Reminds me of Crystal Skull, where it really felt like the Raiders March had run out of steam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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