Jost1 105 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I’m all about Speeder Chase Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,894 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Speeder Chase is probably his best action cue in years. Almost a bit Quidditch-esque. I'm guessing Bill conducted this due to the energy level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Tydirium said: Why is everybody talking about the credits music so much? Who cares? Lol, there's plenty of score tracks (and the phenomenal concert arrangement "The Rise of Skywalker") to talk about! Because Williams still bothers to construct a proper end credits suite for listeners, often incorporating the themes from the film in arrangements unique to the credits. If I never bought any of the scores, and I wanted something which presented all the film's themes in one place, I'd always find and look forward to how he'd present it in the end credits! *** Speeder Chase sounds different from the clip that was released, I'm assuming that's the film version that's unreleased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothless 964 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 31 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Speeder Chase is probably his best action cue in years. Almost a bit Quidditch-esque. I'm guessing Bill conducted this due to the energy level. If williams was there to get his insights, I frankly could not care less of who conducted it crlbrg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Having only listened to it twice so far, Finale is clunky. I don't like ending on the exact same rendition of Binary Sunset as TFA including the very ending swell, and the transitions between themes in the end credits sound rough. But maybe more listens will change my impression. I really enjoy the Imperial March performance and the second Rise of Skywalker theme part. Reunion is quite odd. It sounds like an end credits cast montage but removed from the last track and turned into its own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Aaand it's up! Ricard and artguy360 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 On DisneyMusicVEVO too: Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nemesis 245 Posted December 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 18, 2019 Wow. what a great album: The Rise of Skywalker is beautiful! I adore that lovely BFG touch to it. Tydirium, fuhrsy31, crlbrg and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 It's one of his best concert arrangements in recent memory, if not dare I say of all time. I love both its themes about equally; they are a perfect match for one another. Can't wait until the LSO inevitably does a re-recording of it one day. fuhrsy31 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,513 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 9 hours ago, JTWfan77 said: On DisneyMusicVEVO too: Surreal to see these pages so early, that one can read a comment about atonal modulations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Already comments asking where Duel of the Fates is. I can't stand this current craze of idiots expecting trailer music to be on these albums! No, just because something's used in a trailer does not mean it's going to be in the film... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Drew 590 Posted December 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 18, 2019 16 minutes ago, First TROS March Accolyte said: Surreal to see these pages so early, that one can read a comment about atonal modulations You're welcome. Fabulin, 1977 and Taikomochi 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pro-arte 22 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 The Final, is unoriginal and for the first time ever the main title is also on the end titles (!!!)I sincerely hope there is an alternate end titles.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 5 hours ago, Dixon Hill said: That is the way of things. The way of the forum. I hate you. Anyways, kudos to JJ for making John record the Star Wars main titles one last time from scratch. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stravinsky 206 Posted December 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 18, 2019 10 hours ago, tmarps said: I must say... I did laugh during end credits. We all know where. But hey! Last Jolly Boys' Outing - why the fuck not!! Exactly! Couldn't have said it better myself mate. The thing about Williams' music (like Bruckner or Mahler or any other gas giant) is that I find it diffucult to memorise the material straight away. After about a week of constant playing something like this very last Star Wars score the pennies finally start dropping and the process of recognition begins. And what a wonderful process of discovery. Often a motif that sounds like something humdrum suddenly takes on new meaning. It's a bit like discovering a new Mozart String 4tet or delving into Bruckner's 5th Symphony (which only revealed its deep majesty after about the 30th hearing) . This is testament to the terrifying passion and sheer metaphysical weight of Williams writing. As far as I'm concerned he is up there with some of the greatest composers in history. As far as movie music is concerned Williams is the daddy of them all. Joni Wiljami, crlbrg, Jost1 and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Korngold is the daddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tmarps 217 Posted December 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Korngold is the daddy. Korngold is the grandaddy who started the small family business... Williams is the one who put it on the fucking stock market. crlbrg, igger6, Cerebral Cortex and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,513 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Little did Johnny know, one day he would become Daddy-O Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I love the transition from Luke & Leia to the new (trio?) theme in "Reunion" at 3:25. It's beautiful. And really "Finale" would be perfect if the Imperial March wasn't in the middle of it for no reason. If it went: Force Theme End Fanfare Trio Theme Anthem of Evil Rey's Theme Rise of Skywalker Rousing fanfare to close out Williams' Star Wars scores Taikomochi and Jay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Nagus 43 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 11 hours ago, Amer said: I still feel the Finale / End Title is basically devised for the album. The Shazam listing referred to it as The Album Finale-So I think this edit is just unique to the OST the way 'Mischief Managed' was for the AZKABAN OST album.We just have to wait till Friday and listen to the finale in the movie to figure it out and also once the CD back scan is properly revealed. However, i could be wrong entirely... I don't think Shazam labeled it "The Album Finale" as much as they labeled it "The Rise of Skywalker Album - Finale", to help differentiate it from other "finale" tracks, on countless other albums, in their database. I don't think it is because they know it is different in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted December 18, 2019 Author Share Posted December 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, rolltide1017 said: I don't think Shazam labeled it "The Album Finale" as much as they labeled it "The Rise of Skywalker Album - Finale" to help differentiated it from other "finale" tracks on countless other albums in their database. I don't think it is because they know it is different in the film. Precisely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamleyeti 114 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Where is the love for the harp in Fleeing from Kijimi? The bassoon (?) in We Go Together? I think I will agree with pretty much everybody here; this is a very nice surprise after TLJ. The new themes and motives are gorgeous. The mix of old themes and new ones is lovely. The new fanfare is wonderful. I must confess, I was still hoping for Kylo's theme to grow and turn into something… more. I always felt his theme was going to expand but I guess the movies never game him the chance (I'm not talking about TRoS, I haven't seen the movie). crlbrg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted December 18, 2019 Author Share Posted December 18, 2019 This is a very good album of film music Jost1 and iamleyeti 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Just now, iamleyeti said: I must confess, I was still hoping for Kylo's theme to grow and turn into something… more It may not be a radical transformation like you're hoping for, but the interesting things he does with Kylo's theme in "Parents" and "Coming Together" on the FYC made me especially sad that those were left off of the OST. There's no musical representation of that change on album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamleyeti 114 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Disco Stu said: It may not be a radical transformation like you're hoping for, but the interesting things he does with Kylo's theme in "Parents" and "Coming Together" on the FYC made me especially sad that those were left off of the OST. There's no musical representation of that change on album. I should listen to the FYC just like I am listening to the official album: doing nothing else. Parents was absolutely gorgeous, probably my favorite track of the FYC. It is a bit disappointing to not see it here. But the tracklist is excellent… so… I don't know what I would have pushed out of the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, iamleyeti said: I should listen to the FYC just like I am listening to the official album: doing nothing else. Parents was absolutely gorgeous, probably my favorite track of the FYC. It is a bit disappointing to not see it here. But the tracklist is excellent… so… I don't know what I would have pushed out of the list. Two discs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamleyeti 114 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Just now, Disco Stu said: Two discs! Unpopular opinion but I would have loved to see something similar to the double TPM album we got back in the days. It was far from being perfect, but I still love it. ins 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 First half of Farewell just ripped my heart to pieces Did it just give something away? I love the writing here so much. This is what I want from Star Wars!!! Joni Wiljami and Jost1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 What is it about the Finale that makes you all laugh so much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanskie 104 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 19 minutes ago, ocelot said: First half of Farewell just ripped my heart to pieces Did it just give something away? I love the writing here so much. This is what I want from Star Wars!!! Yeah, the two themes at the beginning sounded pretty melancholic. They’re beautiful, though. We’ll just have to see when we watch the film! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I've seen on Film Music Reporter and some other place (Jon Burligame, I think?) that, despite the album cover saying just "Music By John Williams" as usual, he actually conducted the score as well - which didn't happened on the other two movies of the ST, which were co-conducted by Bill Ross. Can anyone check if this is true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted December 18, 2019 Author Share Posted December 18, 2019 Check... how? Where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,419 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: I love the transition from Luke & Leia to the new (trio?) theme in "Reunion" at 3:25. It's beautiful. And really "Finale" would be perfect if the Imperial March wasn't in the middle of it for no reason. I LOOOOOVE the transition into the Imperial March, it was such an HONEST surprise that I felt like I haven't got in a Star Wars score in a long time. Jurassic Shark and Molly Weasley 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,367 Posted December 18, 2019 Author Share Posted December 18, 2019 I also enjoyed the surprise of listening for the first time and not knowing what was going to show up in that track, but after thinking about it I'm not sure yet if what they went with was successful or not. I need more listens, I've only listened to that track once so far. I wonder if JW recorded a variety of different chunks of things for possible end credits use, and we can get a different medley on a future expanded edition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I think the only issue with the OST is the omission of Falcon Flight. Other than that it’s pretty much perfect. A fitting conclusion to 40 years of Star Wars music. Bellosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I don’t mind the fanfare reprise at the end of Finale. I like it as Williams taking a nostalgic victory lap. The Imperial March and Rey’s theme concert pieces being smushed inbetween the new themes is much more problematic and awkward to me. The Rey’s theme there did nothing for me. Nothing new about it. Tydirium and Fabulin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Yeah I was hoping for a new full statement of Rey’s Theme. Really put an exclamation point on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry O 115 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 5 hours ago, Arpy said: Already comments asking where Duel of the Fates is. I can't stand this current craze of idiots expecting trailer music to be on these albums! No, just because something's used in a trailer does not mean it's going to be in the film... I don't think it's so much because people are expecting "trailer music" - Don Williams made mention of that theme appearing in the score during an interview a few months ago. Or seemed to make mention of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jost1 105 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 9 minutes ago, Larry O said: I don't think it's so much because people are expecting "trailer music" - Don Williams made mention of that theme appearing in the score during an interview a few months ago. Or seemed to make mention of it. I guarantee you he meant the Emperor’s theme because he said «The Phantom theme» and that theme figures prominently in TPM Remco and Giftheck 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,457 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Jay said: Check... how? Where? Is Bill Ross' name on the IMDB page of the movie? Also, the end credits have a part on which appears the people who worked on the music department of a movie: orchestrators, contractors, soloists, where it was recorded and, on most case, the conductors. If someone stays until the end of the credits, they can see if they spot something like "Conducted by John Williams and William Ross" on the credits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry O 115 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Whether that's what he meant or not, it was taken to mean Duel of the Fates as well. It's not just a matter of "trailer music on my soundtrack where is it" but people honestly hoping that when Don said something about major themes all getting their opportunity to appear in this score, that it meant Duel of the Fates too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Larry O said: Whether that's what he meant or not, it was taken to mean Duel of the Fates as well. It's not just a matter of "trailer music on my soundtrack where is it" but people honestly hoping that when Don said something about major themes all getting their opportunity to appear in this score, that it meant Duel of the Fates too. That's not his fault, it's the fault of the outlets that reported it as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry O 115 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 ...I'm not trying to blame him for anything. I'm explaining why people are asking for it. It's not just "trailer music idiots" - people who enjoy the scores and were following score news had reason (however misguided/misunderstood it might have been) to wonder if it was present based on the interviews. That's not Don's fault. It's not anybody's fault, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I will take the Main Title's curtain call in the Finale over a Skywalker Symphony-type RoTS finale. Even though they are both over the top like a live JW encore (I wish). It brings me right back to that 1977 LP, track 1 which is a core memory (also from 1977 in my generation's case) and only a fitting "bow" on the package. If I had dared to imagine exactly what the end credits would sound like I wouldn't have guessed this, but I accept it gladly. We got a huge batch of fantastic new themes, presentations of them and wonderfully contrasted moods and heartrending moments, and we are still expecting more from John. Through-composed 100% to the end of nine films, or what, we'll stop worshipping him? Hardly. We want him go back and basically redo the slam dunk at the end of ESB - in essence, as the "ideal" end credits - but we find fault that he went back to ANH's opening instead? Or the Imperial March as the silver medallist in the SW canon? I don't get it, but I understand there are many varieties of obsessive musical fandom for sure; this is just not my flavour. As far as I'm concerned, Finale's a non issue. And as Jay suggests, above, these suite components are likely done as separate takes, and they can and will be different in the film and in the (eventual and inevitable) expanded edition. 1 hour ago, mrbellamy said: Yeah I was hoping for a new full statement of Rey’s Theme. Really put an exclamation point on it. Sure, but I feel like we got enough focus on Rey in TFA and especially right through the chimes that close out TLJ. Her music gets plenty of space, in fact, more space in the saga than any other character's theme that doesn't do double duty (e.g. Luke/Main, Ben/Force, Vader/Empire). John loves Daisy and will let never let us forget it. Ricard and BuzzLightyear 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 The very end is the RotJ version, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Right you are friend. And it should be, if I had to make the call. But I meant the initial impact of the Main Title. The ANH ending itself is maybe *too* 1977, like the Imperial motif. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 My only real disappointment was I was hoping for a new brassy close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,363 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Battle of the Resistance... what to make of this cue? First things first, I love this track. But it's definitely not in the same vein as DotF or BotH, which one might have expected for a climactic battle in the last-one-forever chapter of a series like Star Wars. It seems quite like it's designed to follow the on-screen action rather than set a tone. I was disappointed about that for about half a minute... and then decided to take it for what it is. And what a trove this is! So many lovely details, like the four brass chords at 0:55 that lead into Poe's theme (I've never heard JW write anything quite like it and I just love that kind of tonal teeing-up.) There's a orchestrational clarity and leanness in this track, and the rest of the score, that's really grown on me. I think I noticed it for the first time in the Adventures of Han theme. The ability to hear different textures and instruments is almost chamber-music-like, but it's done with a 90+ piece orchestra. It's rather wonderful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natedog 7 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Bayesian said: Battle of the Resistance... what to make of this cue? First things first, I love this track. But it's definitely not in the same vein as DotF or BotH, which one might have expected for a climactic battle in the last-one-forever chapter of a series like Star Wars. It seems quite like it's designed to follow the on-screen action rather than set a tone. I was disappointed about that for about half a minute... and then decided to take it for what it is. And what a trove this is! So many lovely details, like the four brass chords at 0:55 that lead into Poe's theme (I've never heard JW write anything quite like it and I just love that kind of tonal teeing-up.) There's a orchestrational clarity and leanness in this track, and the rest of the score, that's really grown on me. I think I noticed it for the first time in the Adventures of Han theme. The ability to hear different textures and instruments is almost chamber-music-like, but it's done with a 90+ piece orchestra. It's rather wonderful. The prequel movies are very different to the sequel trilogy. The prequels are space operas and like an opera the music is a character and plays such an integral part. The sequel films are more like traditional action movies and Williams has scored this accordingly imo. I would have loved to have heard one more DotF type thing from the master but i'm just not sure they have their place in these movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I’d love a concert suite arrangement of Battle of the Resistance. I really like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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