ConorPower 148 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 @Fabulin I really don't think JW would be so on-the-nose as to quote/homage it directly. I think it's just a very similar type of sound resulting from the common musical blueprints used for a noble/heroic-type themes (not in the big brash fanfare vein): dotted martial rhythms, yearning leaps (the m6 in both), which can be preceded by downtrodden stepwise descents, and, of course, solo horn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,516 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 21 minutes ago, ConorPower said: @Fabulin I really don't think JW would be so on-the-nose as to quote/homage it directly. I think it's just a very similar type of sound resulting from the common musical blueprints used for "heroic" and/or "noble" themes: dotted martial rhythms, yearning leaps (the m6 in both), which can be preceded by downtrodden stepwise descents, and, of course, solo horn In theory, any degree of similarity to anything can be plausibly denied like that (and has been, especially on this forum). Analyse a motif, point out why it works, and there you go, it is somehow absolved by its own mechanical description. Thus far he described his connection to Wagner, IIRC, as "If there are similarities, then it is not because I put them there". So the musicologist perspective is "obliged" to take it at face value. But does that extend to works composed after the statements had been made? My comment was exactly about the idea that this time it is different, and why could that be. That's all. Edit: What wouldn't be "on the nose"? A retrograde inversion at a completely different tempo? ConorPower 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConorPower 148 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, Fabulin said: Thus far he described his connection to Wagner, IIRC, as "If there are similarities, then it is not because I put them there". So the musicologist perspective is "obliged" to take it at face value. But does that extend to works composed after the statements had been made? I see, that's a fair point to consider actually! I misread your original post. I recall that quote too. Interesting to consider if these types Qs in interview have eventually and inadvertently caused the Wagnerian similarities to emerge, whether consciously or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 Ok right now the problem is we have: 1)Alternate and mediocre performance (adapted with worse orchestrations?) of the show's End Credits in studio sound quality 2)Magnificent performance of the "original piece" conducted by John Williams in cell phone quality. Unless Williams further modified it since he recorded it a while back. Chewy and Will 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fabulin 3,516 Posted May 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2022 32 minutes ago, ConorPower said: I see, that's a fair point to consider actually! I misread your original post. I recall that quote too. Interesting to consider if these types Qs in interview have eventually and inadvertently caused the Wagnerian similarities to emerge, whether consciously or not. My thought stems from the one about a more general trend how years of being publically compared to the classics by friends and strangers alike might have affected JW. He has already been a chief defender of Herrmann, Korngold, Al Newman, and others as early as the 1970s "neoclassical" revival. And not just covertly so: there is an apocryphal story how Williams allegedly announced "this one is for Korngold" before conducting one of the cues in The Phantom Menace (Panaka and the Queen's Protectors music). I think that the number of old masters that he has felt protective about (at least once literally, with a patronage over a Haydn manuscript), has grown since. Around the time of writing The Force Awakens he mentioned Beethoven's scores laying at his night stand. At AFI 2016 he said that Beethoven would have shunned Hollywood. By 2020 Beethoven had changed his mind and suddenly in Williams's view he probably would have composed for films and only would have disliked hearing his music cut and edited. Around the same time Williams went on to say that he would return to Vienna if they showed him more original manuscripts of Haydn. In 2020 he went on radio with Dudamel with a suggestion of playing Beethoven's pastoral. A year later, when asked about the famous Schindler's List quote, he said his own first thought of who were those "better composers" had been Mozart, and Spielberg's might have been Brahms. Also in 2021 Williams visited the Thomas-Kirche in Leipzig and reacted "now I can die" after Jurassic Park was sounded in his honour on Bach's old organ. He is said to have wanted to write a theme for Obi-Wan, because he had never written one This just seems like a perfect opportunity (now or never) to have that one deliberate homage to Wagner, too. Or not Maybe it is only my mind in which all that has been planted blondheim, Andy, Jurassic Shark and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,197 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, Fabulin said: My thought stems from a the one about a more general trend how years of being publically compared to the classics by friends and strangers alike might have affected JW. If so, he should have started playing the guitar years ago. igger6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConorPower 148 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 7 minutes ago, Fabulin said: He is said to have wanted to write a theme for Obi-Wan, because he had never written one This just seems like a perfect opportunity (now or never) to have that one deliberate homage to Wagner, too. Or not Maybe it is only my mind in which all that has been planted That's a splendid overview of his relationship to the "old masters", which would also be an appropriate Coda to his (presumably) last entry into the Star Wars tapestry. This is my headcanon now! Fabulin and Falstaft 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted May 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2022 23 minutes ago, King Mark said: Ok right now the problem is we have: 1)Alternate and mediocre performance (adapted with worse orchestrations?) of the show's End Credits in studio sound quality 2)Magnificent performance of the "original piece" conducted by John Williams in cell phone quality. Unless Williams further modified it since he recorded it a while back. We can always rely on KM for the most pessimistic take whenever we get new Williams music. I wish you could enjoy things. Dr. Know, Fabulin, Falstaft and 3 others 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,197 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 32 minutes ago, ConorPower said: That's a splendid overview of his relationship to the "old masters", which would also be an appropriate Coda to his (presumably) last entry into the Star Wars tapestry. This is my headcanon now! Cue @Mattris. Mattris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,005 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Fabulin said: This just seems like a perfect opportunity (now or never) to have that one deliberate homage to Wagner, too. I really don't hear a Wagnerian sound here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,448 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 I think, the Williams piece is good, It is not his best Star Wars theme, but for his own level it is rather mediocre. But obviously, even though he layed the mark probably as low as he could it is still the best music in the show. Apart from that, the show gives a canvas for much more quotes of classical star wars themes. I am not sure, why Holt diesn't use more of the classical Star Wars references like Leia's theme, the force theme, Luke's theme. Maybe it is a contractual thing or maybe we would have been better off with Williams new theme and Kevin Kiner merging it into his usual Clone Wars thing. stravinsky 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,197 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: But obviously, even though he layed the mark probably as low as he could it is still the best music in the show. Ouch! I agree it's good although not close to his best, but that's harsh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Nagus 43 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 11 hours ago, Alex said: The first notes reminded me of John Paesano’s Spider-Man theme. I thought this as well. Probably because I've been playing the game for the first time this year and that Spider-Man theme plays every time you swing around the city so, you hear it A LOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,500 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 The first 3 notes remembers me of this... of that. Classical (or Serious) music is about more than a succesion of notes, it's about contrast, repetition, continuity, well, a structure. And there are a dozen of different known structures (the canon, the sonata form, the theme and variation one, just to name a few). Pick three notes in a specific score and a computer will find 72,000 other partitions of previously written music having also these three notes in that same exact order. Music is more complex than that. Anyway, those comments makes me laugh because they show you don't have any musical knowledge, a bit of memory at most! Remco and Jurassic Shark 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,687 Posted May 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2022 I think the theme itself, the melody, is quite brilliant. It manages to capture the lonely melancholy, as Holt notes, but it also manages to easily be used as an action/adventure heroic theme. Luke's theme has heroic optimism, Benny's has a worldworn heroic feel. ConorPower, Obi, Muad'Dib and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,448 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: Ouch! I agree it's good although not close to his best, but that's harsh! You are right. That sounds worse than I meant it. I mean, it is still a pretty good piece and appropriate for the show, but just quite unspectacular for such a spectacular character. On the other hand is one subject of the show, that the character is not as spectacular as it used to be. Therefore it fits. But in a ranking of Williams' Star Wars Theme I see it in the lower third (which is still great and brillant compared to anything, I heard in The Mandalorian or BOBF). Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,522 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 40 minutes ago, Tom said: I think the theme itself, the melody, is quite brilliant. It manages to capture the lonely melancholy, as Holt notes, but it also manages to easily be used as an action/adventure heroic theme. Luke's theme has heroic optimism, Benny's has a worldworn heroic feel. I agree. Feel some similarity to Unicorn theme in Tintin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,500 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 About the structure, and after ony two listenings, I found JW's new Obi-Wan Kenobi Theme to be in total continuity with the music he wrote for the last trilogy, particularly with the new themes he developped for The Force Awakens. That's gold. handz and BB-8 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stravinsky 206 Posted May 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2022 I think I'll be shot down here but to me this new theme is passable at best. In fact it's in the same mediocre league as his music for Solo and Galaxy's Edge. I can't believe how almost everyone here is waxing lyrical like they've seen the second coming of Christ or something. Even Williams' music for (the doggerell that was) Episode IX wasn't his best. I also can't understand how this 4 minute piece can be compared to the vast orchestral frescoes of the gas giants Wagner, Mahler, Bruckner & Korngold (or even Schonberg in Gurrelieder). Sorry if I offend anyone here. The Lost Folio, BB-8, Van_Etten and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,500 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 I'm not offended. You are right, actually we are talking about a Theme and some variations, JW did'nt write a WHOLE symphony! Natalie Holt will be in charge of writing the Symphony. stravinsky 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConorPower 148 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 1 hour ago, GerateWohl said: I am not sure, why Holt diesn't use more of the classical Star Wars references like Leia's theme, the force theme, Luke's theme. Maybe it is a contractual thing or maybe we would have been better off with Williams new theme and Kevin Kiner merging it into his usual Clone Wars thing. I suspect, like Göransson, Holt will hold off on using Williams's motifs, and savour them for weighty scenes. It might give them more dramatic weight if we don't hear them that often. I'd rather hear her own interpretations of the SW world. Calling that when Ben uses his lightsaber first, or at a similar 'big' moment, then we'll get the force theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,197 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 10 minutes ago, stravinsky said: I think I'll be shot down here but to me this new theme is passable at best. In fact it's in the same mediocre league as his music for Solo and Galaxy's Edge. I can't believe how almost everyone here is waxing lyrical like they've seen the second coming of Christ or something. Even Williams' music for (the doggerell that was) Episode IX wasn't his best. I also can't understand how this 4 minute piece can be compared to the vast orchestral frescoes of the gas giants Wagner, Mahler, Bruckner & Korngold (or even Schonberg in Gurrelieder). Sorry if I offend anyone here. I find it more interesting than Galaxy's Edge but less interesting than the Adventures of Han. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Romão 2,276 Posted May 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2022 I don't read that much hyperbole in this thread. And the comparasions with classical works were not made in qualitive terms. Just a theme a lot of people enjoyed. No need to rank things or shoot down people's enthusiasm as blind fanboyism Taikomochi, Fabulin, Falstaft and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,448 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 8 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: I find it more interesting than Galaxy's Edge but less interesting than the Adventures of Han. This. The theme starts off pretty well. For me the weak part is the more dramatic one in the middle with the string ostinato, sounds like kind of Across the Stars imitation, but not as good. But I guess its purpose of this part is to give Holt something for more dramatic scenes at hand. Anyway. I am quite sure it might grow on me. handz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Nagus 43 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 56 minutes ago, Bespin said: Anyway, those comments makes me laugh because they show you don't have any musical knowledge, a bit of memory at most! First, my comment wasn't meant to be negative, just an observation. I really like this new theme and I happen to like the music from the Spider-man game. I didn't realize I was required to have "musical knowledge" to be a fan of movie scores. I love this site for all the musical knowledgeable and information but, I rarely post because some are just not very welcoming to those of us with little knowledge/experience. My dad introduced me to movie scores at a young age through the original Superman 2 LP. I've been a fan ever since and this is the main genre of music I collect and listen too but, I never learned to read music or play an instrument (expect snare drum in my high school marching band). So, I apologize for my lack of knowledge and mentioning how this theme reminded me of something else. I will now go back to rarely posting again. Why do so many score/classical fan sites expect the "true" fans to have a deep understanding of the music and music theory? We don't expect that for fans of pop, rap, country, rock ,etc. Ricard and Taikomochi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonb 118 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 I still really like it a lot after a ton of listens! And I really want to here a proper studio version of the suite he played. There are a lot of little details to it you can hardly hear in the distance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Know 326 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 after three listens, I'm sold! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,197 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 23 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: I am quite sure it might grow on me. If so, you should have it checked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 35 minutes ago, stravinsky said: I think I'll be shot down here but to me this new theme is passable at best. In fact it's in the same mediocre league as his music for Solo and Galaxy's Edge. I can't believe how almost everyone here is waxing lyrical like they've seen the second coming of Christ or something. Even Williams' music for (the doggerell that was) Episode IX wasn't his best. I also can't understand how this 4 minute piece can be compared to the vast orchestral frescoes of the gas giants Wagner, Mahler, Bruckner & Korngold (or even Schonberg in Gurrelieder). Sorry if I offend anyone here. I can totally see where you're coming from and deep down I always hope whenever we get a new theme that it is written with the sensibilities he had decades ago, however - after a few listens I think this piece is quite perfect in capturing what it needs to do while kind of fitting in with what film music is today, and so I think this will speak to a big audience. I'm really impressed by the fact he can adapt his style so wel to current trends while still sounding like himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,652 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 So they still haven't actually released this yet? Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,474 Posted May 27, 2022 Author Share Posted May 27, 2022 Correct Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,516 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 23 minutes ago, rolltide1017 said: Why do so many score/classical fan sites expect the "true" fans to have a deep understanding of the music and music theory? We don't expect that for fans of pop, rap, country, rock ,etc. There are fans of looking at bridges and then there are fans of the engineering of bridges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,652 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 17 minutes ago, Jay said: Correct God damnit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,500 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 59 minutes ago, rolltide1017 said: First, my comment wasn't meant to be negative, just an observation. I really like this new theme and I happen to like the music from the Spider-man game. I didn't realize I was required to have "musical knowledge" to be a fan of movie scores. I love this site for all the musical knowledgeable and information but, I rarely post because some are just not very welcoming to those of us with little knowledge/experience. My dad introduced me to movie scores at a young age through the original Superman 2 LP. I've been a fan ever since and this is the main genre of music I collect and listen too but, I never learned to read music or play an instrument (expect snare drum in my high school marching band). So, I apologize for my lack of knowledge and mentioning how this theme reminded me of something else. I will now go back to rarely posting again. Why do so many score/classical fan sites expect the "true" fans to have a deep understanding of the music and music theory? We don't expect that for fans of pop, rap, country, rock ,etc. My comment was not against you specifically, I'm sorry. I'm not a music theory expert, I'm just an old grumpy fan. Please keep posting! Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,197 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Bespin said: I'm not a music theory expert, I'm just an old grump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 1 hour ago, stravinsky said: I think I'll be shot down here but to me this new theme is passable at best. In fact it's in the same mediocre league as his music for Solo and Galaxy's Edge. I can't believe how almost everyone here is waxing lyrical like they've seen the second coming of Christ or something. Even Williams' music for (the doggerell that was) Episode IX wasn't his best. I also can't understand how this 4 minute piece can be compared to the vast orchestral frescoes of the gas giants Wagner, Mahler, Bruckner & Korngold (or even Schonberg in Gurrelieder). Sorry if I offend anyone here. Solo mediocre league, Igor? And not offended here by mediocre league posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,687 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 1 hour ago, stravinsky said: I think I'll be shot down here but to me this new theme is passable at best. In fact it's in the same mediocre league as his music for Solo and Galaxy's Edge. I can't believe how almost everyone here is waxing lyrical like they've seen the second coming of Christ or something. Even Williams' music for (the doggerell that was) Episode IX wasn't his best. I also can't understand how this 4 minute piece can be compared to the vast orchestral frescoes of the gas giants Wagner, Mahler, Bruckner & Korngold (or even Schonberg in Gurrelieder). Sorry if I offend anyone here. The comparison to other composers is perfectly legitmate. Obviously, a 4 minute piece and an hour symphony have relevant dissimiliaries, but they also have plenty of relevant simililarities--the latter are a reasonable basis for comparison, and that is what people are doing. Also, when listening to a new SW theme, there are two things I am doing. One, is the theme and suite good on its own musical merits. Two, and just as importantly for me, how does the theme fit into JW SW world. We now have literally 2-3 hours of SW thematic, concert material. Obi-Wan's theme fits nicely, sharing some structural features, but also original to the canon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wooten 2 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 3 hours ago, GerateWohl said: I am not sure, why Holt diesn't use more of the classical Star Wars references like Leia's theme, the force theme, Luke's theme. Maybe it is a contractual thing or maybe we would have been better off with Williams new theme and Kevin Kiner merging it into his usual Clone Wars thing. it drives me nuts that the newer shoes intentionally avoid traditional themes, particularly the force theme. I like different styles and all of that, but there are times where a statement of a traditional them not only makes sense but is essential to keep me feeling like I am in this universe as a viewer. igger6 and GerateWohl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Darth Mixolydian 5 Posted May 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2022 Love the new theme. Always wonderful to have new JW music. I do have to ask a question that I feel others in this forum must have wondered too. When introducing the new piece, Kennedy says something along the lines of "can you believe there's never been an Obi-wan theme before? How can this be!?" Of course we know that The Force theme used to be Kenobi's theme in the first movie, but as the series evolved, that theme became connected to the force in general rather than just Kenobi. Same thing for Luke's theme becoming the Main Theme when utilized in the prequels and beyond. So I can't be the only one who finds it demeaning to JW's work over the years when people in high positions at Lucasfilm say this. It almost comes off as a "hey John! You forgot a theme for Obi-wan, duh!!" Has no one explained this to Kennedy? Is she scratching her head about where Luke's theme is too? Or does she know and is simply trying to find the lowest common denominator message for the masses in a speech like this? If the latter is the case, why not use the opportunity to introduce the fans that don't know to this very cool story about the music? Simply say, "In the first Star Wars, John wrote an extraordinary theme for Obi-Wan. Over the years that theme grew into a broader theme for the series, representing The Force, and it remains one of the most recognizable pieces of music in cinema history. For this new series we wanted a fresh theme for Obi-Wan, connected to the unique challenges this beloved character faces in this thrilling tale." I know, I know, we're in the minority of the public here, but I feel like fans would appreciate the added knowledge instead of this messaging that JW "forgot" to give Obi-Wan a theme for 45 years until he was asked. Ricard, Brando, thx99 and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravinsky 206 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 39 minutes ago, Sergeant said: Solo mediocre league, Igor? And not offended here by mediocre league posts. I'm not referring to Powell's tremendous score as mediocre. Not in any way. Only Williams kind of flaccid theme. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,197 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 Interesting. I found JW's theme the best part of that score. handz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Falstaft 2,132 Posted May 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2022 Less interesting than the theme itself, of course, but for the curious here's a reduction of the ostinato figures that populate JW's piece. (I am curious if anyone hears these passages, or even the whole piece, in 12/8 instead of 4/4?) Ludwig, Will and ragoz350 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handz 39 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 I finally had chance to listen to the better quality version and well.... I am not impressed. This is on a level of Galaxy's Edge which I find to be one of the weakest SW music cues. I was awaiting a theme that will be close to Force theme, strong melody, melancholic, dramatic, with some nice gradation. I do not fid it here. Not that Adventures of Han was so great but it still was quite exciting action piece with some memorable parts, here even after 5 listens, I am not getting the "vibe" or something memorable from it and this is something I am not used to with JW themes. I am bit sad. Hymn to the Oscars was a proof that he still can do this exciting 80/90s kind of stuff but this theme is for me not the case. BTW, Is it me or the orchestration is especially weak here - I think it could be done way better. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviazn 273 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 11 hours ago, Demondm810 said: Yeah, I think the entire end credits are adapted. 10 hours ago, King Mark said: it sounds nowhere like the Williams conducted one I think it sounds adapted for a TV series-sized orchestra, that's all. But, as is frequently the case these days, I prefer the faster tempo to JW's live performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2022 Count me among those who prefer the concert arrangement heard at Celebration to what I heard from the end credits shared (won't see the show myself until tonight). I fell hard for that concert version yesterday. That had better have been recorded by JW back in Feb and get released! eitam, aj_vader, Taikomochi and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,197 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 14 minutes ago, handz said: BTW, Is it me or the orchestration is especially weak here - I think it could be done way better. I thought the same thing in the middle where the piece temporarily fizzles out - it could have been more interesting with a bit more elaborate orchestration. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 I like the concert arrangement and the end credits version about equally. I do hope we get a better quality version of the concert arrangement released soon! As for the end credits version, though, I like the soft ending! Beautiful and sounds like classic Williams. I wonder if that's an addition from Ross or Williams himself. Either way, perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bespin 8,500 Posted May 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2022 I saw Kathleen Kennedy on the live stream yesterday, I think she really didn't find the joke about getting his room number very funny. She left the stage like a bullet! Anyway, I think there's many aspect of Star Wars she'll never found funny. She doesn't have too... My favourite part of the live stream was when a guy asked to Ian McDiarmid what Emperor Palpatine’s favorite dessert might be. McDiarmid replied that the Emperor probably did not like desserts. He said: "He's eating Ewoks." handz, DarthDementous and Brando 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 31 minutes ago, stravinsky said: I'm not referring to Powell's tremendous score as mediocre. Not in any way. Only Williams kind of flaccid theme. Flaccid theme? I think it was a highlight in Berlin concert. Powell' score is a joke, can't listen to that generic shit. Falstaft, Jurassic Shark, Luke Skywalker and 1 other 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,197 Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, Bespin said: I saw Kathleen Kennedy on the live stream yesterday, I think she really didn't find the joke about getting his room number very funny. How did the joke go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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