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Someday… please… Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade expanded Film Score Presentation 1:44:36 Indy’s Very First Adventure (Film Version)** 12:00 The Boat Scene 2:23 Sinister Visitors* 0:53 The Holy Grail* 1:00 X Marks The Spot (Extended Version)** 3:52 Beneath The Floors* 2:31 Ah, Rats!!! 3:40 Escape from Venice (Film Version)** 4:25 Into Bavaria 0:38 Bringing on Father 1:49 Discussing the Book* 2:13 Don’t Call Me Junior* 1:59 The Capture of Marcus 0:50 The Austrian Way 2:40 Room In Flames 3:06 Scherzo for Motorcycle and Orchestra 3:53 To Berlin 1:07 Koeniggraetzer March (Film Version)* 3:03 To The Blimp 2:04 No Ticket 2:45 The Blimp Turns Around 1:30 Keeping Up With The Joneses 3:37 Brother of the Cruciform Sword 1:57 The Death of Kazim 2:27 Belly of the Steel Beast** (Extended Version) 9:03 Disc 1 time: 1:15:25 Film Score Presentation (continued) 29:12 The Canyon of the Crescent Moon 4:17 Into the Temple* 2:51 The Penitent Man Will Pass 3:24 The Keeper of the Grail 3:24 The Wrong Choice 4:36 Finale and End Credits 10:40 Source Music 9:10 Cocktail Source* 1:30 Market Source* 1:57 Koeniggraetzer March* 2:55 Dirigible Source* 1:30 Palace Source* 1:18 Additional Music 32:03 Indy’s Very First Adventure (Alternate)** 12:00 X Marks the Spot (Film Version Segment)** 2:50 Escape from Venice 4:21 Room in Flames (Alternate)** 3:06 Keeping Up With The Joneses (Alternate)** 3:37 The Death of Kazim (Alternate)** 2:27 On The Tank 3:38 Disc 2 time: 1:10:21 Total 2 disc time: 2:25:46

Wolf Totem - James Horner What a wonderful score. Full of all the Hornerism's one could wish for and I love every second of it. Still sometimes think about all the scores he could've written over the past 9 years and how it felt after this that he was making a bit of a comeback.

That's not Williams's quote. His quote went through "All unhappy". The rest of the stuff you added was the article's author putting his own spin on it which I think is REALLY a stretch (there is ZERO evidence to suggest Goldsmith was anything other than happy composing film music; his unhappiness came from elsewhere), a disappointing part of an otherwise good piece. Yavar

So what he's saying is if John Williams was in fact named Kevin Nagle, he wouldn't have had as much success? Anyway, it's a nice story about JW and his family going to Goldsmith's house to hang up. Were their children about the same age? Did they play together while the adults discussed music and movies over the diner?

I just discovered this release from Neumation's facebook. I don't know if anyone grew up with this series but this was one of my most wanted TV animation soundtracks. Alas, the 17 minutes of this release don't include all the music cues that I remembered from the show (I just browsed the first episode to confirm that there was other music indeed too). Neumation says this must be a teaser. I hope so!

Coming 3/19... https://www.facebook.com/groups/95015405220/posts/10168818092730221/

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The problem with some of those is that fewer of the movies or TV shows really have much of a shelf life, so interest is low and/or availability is scarce. And also less is known through interviews about the partnership to supplement what we can observe. It's always easier to comment and run deeper on the things we're all already familiar with and lived through. There's so much extra context with the older stuff that it gets difficult to parse, even though I have a broad idea of the history. Which is partly why I'm really looking forward to a proper Williams biography and documentary. Delbert Mann is a key figure in Williams's trajectory, though. I mean someone could listen to Fitzwilly, Heidi, and Jane Eyre and that alone is a solid primer on "pre-Jaws" Williams. And of course Jane Eyre is a very highly regarded score around here. I haven't gotten around to the movies yet, though, so can't say what they have that makes this partnership distinct from others, aesthetically. Martin Ritt is also kind of an interesting one because he made some relatively notable movies, including Hud, The Spy Who Came in From the Cold, Sounder, and Norma Rae, but the Williams collabs don't really seem to rate in his career and the scores are not JWFan favorites. But I didn't realize looking at it that they had Pete N Tillie and Conrack close together, and then a long gap until Stanley & Iris which ended up being Ritt's final film; he died that year. Wendkos seems interesting for being a first, at least. The Robson movies seem to have some range and Earthquake gives you Irwin Allen crossover. I have no comment otherwise. I wonder about Pollack and Kershner, because they only did one film with Williams but I guess there's TV? I have no idea which were episodes they actually worked together on, IMDb doesn't make this easy. Or how much interaction Williams had with his directors for episodic television, in general. Or what these collaborations might illuminate about The Empire Strikes Back or Sabrina. That is another thing about the TV work. I don't know if we have a master thread on this but there should probably be a catalog of all the shows and episodes Williams did tbh. And which can be found online. Again, I've always found this info too spread out and incomplete to be much fun exploring....

TTT is missing a theme statement from a EE cue, and ROTK is missing an unused cue for Aragorn and Legolas outside Edora prior to The Palantir There also some cues on the CR presented with solos dialed out leaving just non-melodic material behind, namely Fellowship Reunited (fiddle on the OST and Symphony, whistle heard in the Use Well the Days Documentary), Stairs of Cirith Ungol, and Battle of the Pelennor Fields The full version of Frodo's Song under the Rarities interview, that only can be reconstructed from the CR, Rarities, and Use Well the Days doc. R/B ROTK!! Geoffrey Burgon's Narnia scores.

I think a story - as told in a film or in a series of films - has to have a certain dramatic shape. Gladiator's dramatic shape is complete. To make a sequel would mean to take the bow that had been wrapped over this most wonderful present, and unravel it anew. I find those kinds of films - we're getting many of them nowadays - depressing.

It feels uninspired and unnecessary. Some films beg for a sequel, Gladiator is not one of them. Russel Crowe and Maximus is Gladiator. There's no Gladiator without Russel Crowe and Maximus.

Some films lend themselves to having sequels. Gladiator is not one of those.

"i know, but they're all snobs."

Here’s the accompanying text from Facebook when The Film Music Society shared the image this past December: “🎥🎶 Today would have been beloved composer ALEX NORTH’s 113th birthday. North was a pioneer of incorporating jazz into film music with some of the finest scores ever written. Among his many distinquished credits are A STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE, SPARTACUS, VIVA ZAPATA! THE RAINMAKER, CLEOPATRA, WHO’S AFRAID OF VIRGINIA WOOLF?, and UNCHAINED – the theme (“Unchained Melody”) for which is recognized as one of the most romantic ballads of all time. He was nominated for 15 Oscars and was the first composer to receive an Honorary Academy Award in 1986. 🎥🎶 A moment in film music history... On June 10, 1986, Alex North was celebrated by The Film Music Society with its distinguished Career Achievement Award. Presenters included John Green and David Raksin. Pictured here from that evening are (standing, L to R) Henry Mancini, Jerry Goldsmith, and John Williams; (seated, L to R) Leonard Rosenman and Alex North.” Yavar

Top 5 worst ideas in the history of the world: 5. New Coke 4. Themed Restaurants 3. Hooked on Classics 2. Filling the Hindenburg With Hydrogen 1. A Gladiator sequel.

The bagpipe theme is actually the same melody as the beginning of House Atreides and the love theme if you slow it down and change the tempo a bit.

The second half of "House Atreides" is feature prominently here. Part of the stanza bleeds into Paul and Chani's theme, but it is not quite the theme either. Starts at 1:22 During the Armanda scene, the theme appears briefly Starts at 2:03 The entire 3:30 segment opening of "House Atreides" is only on the sketchbook in Dune 1, but is feature prominently in Dune 2 as the love theme. What was actually played in Dune 1 does contain some variations of it, but never the whole thing.

Does this movie have anything to do with this song or vice versa? Because every time I see its name I hear Chris DeBurgh's voice singing "Lady in Reeeeeed..."

That is pretty cool about Robson's origins! That point about him "falling into lesser fare" just as he hooked up with Williams is also a big part of what has always made this early period a bit daunting. It's definitely not uninteresting but the further back from 1975 I go, the less relevant Williams's work really was to film history as a whole, and the less gravitas he had as a composer. So it starts to feel like a more purely educational exercise in learning all about John Williams, specifically, even though of course there are various threads connecting him to the larger scope of Hollywood at the time. I can only take so much of doing my own research at once, though, and there have always been so many more notable films from the period to watch. But I enjoy discovering the music from time to time. I really have a lot of hope that the biography could be game-changing in terms of how I'm able to frame his early career in my head and retain these kinds of narratives and the various "characters" who faded into obscurity or died out as Williams ascended in stature. It'll probably inspire me to look more into this stuff, for sure. True! You know what, when you had started sharing it, I was waiting for you to finish the series so I could listen to the whole thing and then I forgot to check after all those months but I found them in my podcast app so I will 100% listen.

Yes, the others are TV. Thanks for your comments! I particularly find the Robson collaboration fascinating. Here's this guy who had worked in some capacity (editor and director) in the Hollywood Golden Age, usually big studio productions in the 40s and 50s (CITIZEN KANE, CAT PEOPLE, JOURNEY INTO FEAR, PEYTON PLACE, THE INN OF SIXTH HAPPINESS etc.), but then fell into lesser fare in the 60s onwards, which is when Williams & Goldsmith got involved in his work. A peculiar career trajectory. But he worked with some great composers. Well, there's my webcast series that covers pretty much all of this.

"You're one ugly motherfucker!"

Agreed, Alex. I find HANNIBAL a much more satisfying watch, than THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS. It has a streak of dark humour that runs through it, and it looks better.

Even though Hannibal is a sequel to Silence Of The Lambs, I somehow enjoyed it as a grotesque freak show.

Must have been before 2001 in any case, because I remember reading about it before having seen him live myself.

"THIS WILL NOT LOOK GOOD ON A RÉSUMÉ!"

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I should add, I don't entirely object, but I think prequels are typically better for that than sequels.

What does three up and three down mean to you, airman? End of an inning?

“Son of a bitch… He stole my line.”

"You take a big risk by encouraging them to be artists, John. When they realize they're not Rembrandts, Shakespeares or Mozarts, they'll hate you for it." "We're not talking artists, George, we're talking freethinkers." "Freethinkers at seventeen?" "Funny — I never pegged you as a cynic." "Not a cynic, a realist. "Show me the heart unfettered by foolish dreams, and I'll show you a happy man."" "But only in their dreams can men be truly free. 'Twas always thus, and always thus will be." "Tennyson?" "No, Keating."

Glad this finally happened. Just ordered the Deluxe Edition with both the SACD and Blu Ray!!!

Fantastic stuff... ROTS is definitely my most-wanted prequel expansion. It deserves the Matessino treatment! That alternate Battle of the Heroes opening being recorded was a great discovery last year. Who knows what else was recorded we don't know about!

Nothing wrong with Gladiator's CGI.

This is actually (no pun intended) an excellent way of describing it. I get Thor's point about world-building...even if I do think that story, and especially character, are more important. And there are movies that lend themselves to continuing to explore the "world" they inhabit. The MCU, imperfect as it is, is a good example of that. But I just don't think Gladiator is that kind of beast, and I think trying to make it be so is a little ham-fisted.

All these worlds are yours to explore, Thor. Except Middle-Earth. Attempt no landing there.

I think we just define "story" differently. I don't mean story strictly in the sense of plot mechanics unfolding. I mean story in the sense "characters going through something."

What if John Williams is in fact behind Mattriss and has been using the Star Wars Disenchantment to torment his fans that for years have complained about unreleased cues and microedits?

Pilot: Dick! Dick: Yeah? Pilot: Take a look outta starboard. Dick: Oh my God! It looks like a huge— Birdwatching Woman: Pecker! Birdwatching Man: Ooh, where? Birdwatching Woman: Wait, that's not a woodpecker, that looks like someone's— Army Sergeant: PRIVATES! WE HAVE REPORTS OF AN UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT. IT IS A LONG, SMOOTH SHAFT, COMPLETE WITH— Baseball Umpire: TWO BALLS! [looking up from game] What is that? That looks just like an enormous— Teacher in China: Wang! Pay attention! Wang: I was distracted by that enormous flying— Musician: Willie! Willie Nelson: Yeah? Musician: What's that? Willie: [squints] Well, that looks like a giant— Colonel: Johnson! Johnson: Yes, sir? Colonel: Get on the horn to British Intelligence and let them know about this. A little bit later: Basil: Did we get Dr. Evil? Johnson: No, sir, he got away in that big spaceship that looks like a huge— Teacher: Penis! The male reproductive organ. Also known as "tallywhacker", "schlong", or— Barbecuing Dad: Wiener? Any of you kids want another wiener? Son: Dad, what's that? Dad: I don't know, son, but it's got great, big— Peanut Vendor at Baseball Game: NUTS! HOT, SALTY NUTS! WHO WANTS SOME? ...Lord Almighty! Woman: That looks just like my husband's— Circus Barker: ONE-EYED MONSTER! STEP RIGHT UP AND SEE THE ONE-EYED MONSTER! One-Eyed Monster: [bursts out of tent] RAAAR! ...Hey, what's that? It looks like a big— Fan: Woody! Woody Harrelson? Can I have your autograph? Woody: Sure, no problem. ...Oh, my Lord! Look at that thing! Fan: It's so big... Woody: I've seen bigger. That's— Dr. Evil: [holding a syringe] Just a little prick! [injects Mini-Me] It's a flu shot! You've been in the coldness of space. I don't want you to get sick.

I think the only bit of professional envy Goldsmith ever expressed regarding Williams was that he wished he could have been the one to score Schindler's List. In this video panel that @TownerFan and I co-produced, IIRC Bruce Botnick makes it clear that Goldsmith and Williams were still active friends in the 80s (maybe even the 90s)? Certainly that photo above of the two of them, which was selected for the image to promote our video, was taken in the 90s: I've never heard of their relationship souring, though people certainly do drift apart when they get super busy, and it's harder to prioritize staying in touch. Williams and Goldsmith were both in super high demand from the 80s forward (and they also both started conducting lots of live concerts of their music during that decade, besides). This picture with two (three) great film music titans is wonderful... but I'll do you one better, courtesy the Film Music Society (this is pre-ponytail so a bit older… back in June 1986): I assume so, but I don't really like to speculate on that too much as he seems to have been a pretty private person who didn't speak about his personal life much. We know that he wrote his somewhat spiky and angry-sounding Music for Orchestra concert piece around the time he got divorced from his first wife (I think that was either in the late 60s or early 70s; I forget exactly when it was written). And it seems pretty public knowledge now that Goldsmith was something of an alcoholic at least into the 80s. By the time the 90s rolled around it seems he had largely broken that vice... I've even seen some people make comments that it hurt his music and it lost its edge as a result of him getting off the bottle. Alcoholism is an actual disease and it usually has a significant negative impact on people's lives. I realize some people turn to alcohol *because* they are unhappy, but then becoming addicted to alcohol can *keep* them unhappy for a long time when they otherwise would have managed to be happy. Anyways, that's all I'm going to say on this because I honestly don't know more and I would just be making it up. Even if I did know more, I wouldn't really think I have a right to share stuff about Goldsmith's personal life that wasn't public knowledge already. Yavar

Well, JW is superior.

Yes! Got an email from CDJapan this morning with a pre-order for the SACD - pre-order in! https://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/UCGG-9233

thank god he is not returning! I think this will be a very bad movie…

This is one of the most clueless things you can say - unless you wrote the score. You KNOW you are correct??? Everybody here is participating in a discussion - offering examples and explanations for their interpretations. Nobody is making proclamations that they their view is the only valid view. That would be a conceited and ridiculous way to go about things.

Zimmer has said he wrote it after the score was done or something like that. He specifically said he wrote the theme for the second film at the end of completing the score for part 1 and included it on the album. Consequently, the love theme does not appear in Part 1, was not meant to appear in Part 1 and is NOT a house atridies theme. The theme has no connection to house atridies.

It's definitively more involving. The score also felt better in the second one. I haven't heard the album but there were some nice moments. Having said that, I bet the sketch book album is probably still the best option. Karol

"Give me my glasses back!"

Scores not represented on this compilation in any form: Daddy-O I Passed For White Because They're Young The Secret Ways Bachelor Flat Diamond Head Gidget Goes To Rome The Killers None But The Brave John Goldfarb, Please Come Home The Rare Breed The Plainsman A Guide for the Married Man Valley of the Dolls Goodbye, Mr. Chips The Reivers Storia di una Donna (Story of a Woman) Fiddler o­n the Roof Tom Sawyer The Paper Chase Conrack The Sugarland Express Heartbeeps SpaceCamp Empire of the Sun The Accidental Tourist Home Alone 2: Lost in New York Rosewood The Lost World: Jurassic Park Amistad Saving Private Ryan Stepmom Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace The Patriot A.I. Artificial Intelligence Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban The Terminal Star Wars: Episode III – Revenge of the Sith War of the Worlds War Horse Lincoln The Book Thief The BFG Star Wars: The Last Jedi The Post Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker The Fabelmans Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny Scores only represented on this compilation through re-recordings (not counting when the OST album was a re-recording): Daddy’s Gone A-Hunting [cover] Jane Eyre [Philips Boston Pops] The Cowboys [Philips Boston Pops] Midway [Philips Boston Pops] Star Wars [Philips Boston Pops] Close Encounters of the Third Kind [Philips Boston Pops] Superman – The Movie [Philips Boston Pops] 1941 [Philips Boston Pops] The Empire Strikes Back [Philips Boston Pops & ASM] Return of the Jedi [Philips Boston Pops] The Witches of Eastwick [Philips Boston Pops] Presumed Innocent [cover] Home Alone [Sony Boston Pops] Hook [Sony Boston Pops] Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone [ASM] Star Wars: Episode II – Attack of the Clones [ASM] Catch Me If You Can [cover] Memoirs of a Geisha [ASM] Munich [ASM] The Adventures of Tintin: The Secret of the Unicorn [ASM] Star Wars: The Force Awakens [ASM]