Jay 37,373 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 32 minutes ago, Sandor said: Ah ok, thanks. Could it be wrong though? Of course 32 minutes ago, Sandor said: Like back in 2001 an initial tracklist was published for the A.I. OST which was different from the final release? Well that was published in a news article about the upcoming score, not on a retailer's website selling the album Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,319 Posted November 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Sandor said: Ah ok, thanks. Could it be wrong though? Like back in 2001 an initial tracklist was published for the A.I. OST which was different from the final release? Oh absolutely, there's still plenty of time for Williams to drop a few tracks 😉 Bayesian, Jay, Will and 4 others 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,373 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 30 minute OST is so 90s. By the way, the CD can already be ordered on amazon.de for 12,61€. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Well at least it is not expensive… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 9 hours ago, Jay said: Well that was published in a news article about the upcoming score, not on a retailer's website selling the album There was the Amazon listing for "Jabba Flow" on the TFA album just a couple weeks before it was released iirc. Of course that ended up not being the case and instead they released it as a single like a year later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 8 hours ago, GerateWohl said: 30 minute OST is so 90s. But many were not bad in retrospect, after listening to the 90 minute versions, that is. Except you were Goldsmith and insisted on cutting lots of exciting cues for meager sneaking around stuff, just to balance the cd exactly like the movie (why?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,373 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 6 hours ago, publicist said: But many were not bad in retrospect, after listening to the 90 minute versions, that is. Except you were Goldsmith and insisted on cutting lots of exciting cues for meager sneaking around stuff, just to balance the cd exactly like the movie (why?). With this I was especially referring to Goldsmith. I remember how disappointed I was with the OST of L.A. Confidential as it felt to me just like an uneven glimpse through the keyhole onto this score. Two 30 minute albums were published for this one. One with the score and one with the songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 1 hour ago, GerateWohl said: With this I was especially referring to Goldsmith. I remember how disappointed I was with the OST of L.A. Confidential as it felt to me just like an uneven glimpse through the keyhole onto this score. That would actually the last release i would accuse of depriving us of great music (there wasn't much music in the movie and it was more of the sneaking-around variety). I remember sitting in the cinema between 1994 and 1997 crying when i heard the outstanding set pieces that were left off 'Chain Reaction', 'First Knight', 'The Shadow' (the list goes on) that practically begged from the screen 'Release me!'. Instead he bestowed us at least 15-20 minutes of non-descript suspense and atmospherical stuff (hands up who would've chosen 'Assassins' over 'Be Safe' or 'Who am I' over 'Fight Like a Man' or 'The Mirrors'). It was like a curse. There was a big promo campaign for 'Mulan' showcasing the 'Huns Attack' sequence, me and some friends who were also into the hobby back then had practically wet trousers in anticipation of this brilliant two-minute cue, but what did JG do? He called a cue 'The Huns Attack' and joined a lighter separate cue from long before that scene and added the second part of the ensuing avalanche sequence. We were convinced that this practice was fully intended, Goldsmith giving us personally the finger saying 'You really wanted that cue, eh? Though luck!' In retrospect i really think he was choosing a selection of cues that reflected the narrative of the movie, it never seemed to occur to him that there were probably not more than 5 people in total wanting stripped-down background music for a scene of Keanu Reeves trying to retrieve a fax. Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Although I do love the expanded edition, I've always thought that OST for The Ghost and the Darkness was a pretty great listening experience. As was The Mummy. But The Shadow was indeed one of the biggest offenders Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,695 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 The Mummy is an annoying one because there's a lot of nice material in the later part of the score that was omitted entirely from the album. Also missing the smaller cues such as Off Balance and other short cues towards the start feels like it robs the album of a bit of variety. Amongst the bit he did include, there aren't any suites, drastically different versions or other things that make the OST a long-term curiosity for me - it's just a selection of music, free of microedits, but missing good stuff. That's how I see his album production in contrast to Williams/Zimmer. Very little editing or suite-making - just leaving a lot of score off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 7 hours ago, Richard Penna said: The Mummy is an annoying one because there's a lot of nice material in the later part of the score that was omitted entirely from the album. Also missing the smaller cues such as Off Balance and other short cues towards the start feels like it robs the album of a bit of variety. Well, it was more like the middle part of it. It has the score nicely covered until "Discoveries", before the mummy awakes and then the next track is "My Favourite Plague", when shit is already going on on a large scale and from then on almost everything is included on the OST again. Aside from the fact that almost the entire middle part of the score is missing from the OST - it is an ingenious album program, a great listening experience! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Though Sand Storm should have been included. Another puzzling omission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,695 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 And Escape From The Tomb too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 1 hour ago, publicist said: Though Sand Storm should have been included. Another puzzling omission. I don't find that puzzling. It is such a ridiculously plain and over-the-top repetition of the well-represented themes that it seems congruous not to include it on the OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,483 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 OK, pre-ordered at Amazon.de. The low price (12.62 EUR) seems to reflect the thrifty content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 It's crazy to think that this and Indy 5 might forever be the last 2 albums in the main Williams section of my CD shelf Edmilson, BB-8, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and 5 others 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,520 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jay said: It's crazy to think that this and Indy 5 might forever be the last 2 albums in the main Williams section of my CD shelf You won't be buying premiere and expanded releases in the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 The main section of the shelf is chronological in the order he wrote the scores, not the order the version of the album came out MrJosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Yes, I keep the soundtrack recordings in chrono order of film release, regardless of when the album came out. I keep the Pops/BSO/LSO/live, etc. albums separate from the soundtracks. MrJosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderdrag64 624 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 29 minutes ago, Jay said: The main section of the shelf is chronological in the order he wrote the scores, not the order the version of the album came out Still whenever the expanded releases for this and Indy 5 come out in 50 years you'll be able to add those to the shelf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blondheim 1,157 Posted November 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 3, 2022 8 minutes ago, enderdrag64 said: Still whenever the expanded releases for this and Indy 5 come out in 50 years you'll be able to add those to the shelf Fifty? We have ourselves an optimist Manakin Skywalker, Brando, Martinland and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,520 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Jay said: The main section of the shelf is chronological in the order he wrote the scores, not the order the version of the album came out Ah, last on the shelf, not last acquisition that ends up on the shelf, gotcha. I organize my collection in much the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sandor 797 Posted November 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 3, 2022 I assume not the actual score, but check this out around the 5 minute mark! Taikomochi, Disco Stu, enderdrag64 and 17 others 7 1 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,210 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Jay said: The main section of the shelf is chronological in the order he wrote the scores, not the order the version of the album came out At least you'll still have the Indy 5 expansion to look forward to. I sort sequel scores right after the first in the series, so chances are Fabelmans will be at the end of the Williams section - and whether that'll have anything to expand remains to be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thx99 1,740 Posted November 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 3, 2022 The budding film music fan... Spoiler Bespin, Brando, MrJosh and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 5 minutes ago, thx99 said: The budding film music fan... Reveal hidden contents This one stands out like a sore thumb between How the West Was Won and Spartacus thx99 and Bespin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,531 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 I was just about to ask what that is! ... What is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 It's a spoken word comedy record with sketches parodying the Kennedy family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Yes if I am still alive when an Indy 5 expansion releases on physical CD format, that would indeed be placed after the Indy 5 OST on the shelf. enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Sandor said: check this out around the 5 minute mark! That was awesome! Someone, identify this piece of music for us! Sandor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thx99 1,740 Posted November 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 3, 2022 17 minutes ago, Jay said: That was awesome! Someone, identify this piece of music for us! From the Legacy of John Williams FB page... Jay, MrJosh, BB-8 and 4 others 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 907 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 4 hours ago, thx99 said: From the Legacy of John Williams FB page... I'm ignorant of all this Brahms except his lullaby, so I thought that was Williams improvising! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,473 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 The video is awesome. I love to see Williams in such good health, playing the piano so effortlessly. Spielberg should hurry up with his Western while Williams is in good shape. GerateWohl and Mr. Who 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 On 28/10/2022 at 6:29 PM, Not Mr. Big said: Everyone here is so obsessed with size I mean... One shouldn't judge the score by the length of it but by the girth of the orchestration used! Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Bespin 8,484 Posted November 4, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 4, 2022 So, I don't know if it have been pointed out before, but The Fabelmans will be the 109th soundtrack album of John Williams (thanks @Junion), his 149th if we count his other solo studio albums. With the next Indy, the magical 150 number will be reached. BuzzLightyear, BB-8, jocores and 5 others 5 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Classic FM has taken notice: https://www.classicfm.com/composers/williams/plays-brahms-piano-spielberg-recording/ BB-8 and crumbs 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 He has better dexterity in his fingers than me… and I’m 62 years younger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,483 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 He does something with the harmonies that initially sound more like Williams than Brahms. Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 10 minutes ago, BB-8 said: He does something with the harmonies that initially sound more like Williams than Brahms. I definitely heard “Star of Bethlehem” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,483 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 10 minutes ago, Alex said: I definitely heard “Star of Bethlehem” I heard Battle of the Heroes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Bespin said: So, I don't know if it have been pointed out before, but The Fabelmans will be the 109th soundtrack album of John Williams (thanks @Junion), his 149th if we count his other solo studio albums. With the next Indy, the magical 150 number will be reached. What if we count the expansions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 17 minutes ago, crumbs said: What if we count the expansions? Please visit the Wiki page of the discography for the details (note that The Fabelmans is not here, since it's not yet released): John Williams discography - Wikipedia. It's easy to pick the number you want from our discography (made and managed by @Junion and me), but I would say that normally we use the (solo) "studio album" count when we talk about the number of albums released by an artist. Therefore, I would say the number "149" is the most significative one even for John Williams's unique reality (as a performer, composer and conductor). Of course, if you want to boost that number, I would add the "collaborations and featurings" before the "expanded reissue soundtrack albums"... BB-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 894 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Goldang it, Spielberg, edit and release your recording session footage already! How many more moments like this are sitting on a bearded hard drive somewhere in California right now? Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alex 2,835 Posted November 4, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 4, 2022 This site seems to have track lengths https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/9381464--the-fabelmans-original-motion-picture-soundtrack Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Tom, Sandor and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,373 Posted November 4, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 4, 2022 Nice find! 01 The Fabelmans 2:13 02 Mitzi's Dance 2:05 03 Kuhlau: Sonatina in A Minor, Op. 88 No. 3: III. Allegro burlesco 1:51 04 Midnight Call 2:23 05 Reverie 1:44 06 Mother and Son 2:28 07 Clementi: Sonatina in C Major, Op. 36 No. 3: Spiritoso 1:58 08 Reflections 2:02 09 Bach, J S: Concerto in D Minor, BWV 974: II. Adagio 3:46 10 New House 2:28 11 The Letter 2:08 12 The Journey Begins (includes excerpt from Joseph Haydn: Sonata No. 48 in C Major, HOB. XVI: 35: I. Allegro con brio) 6:08 TOTAL TIME: 31:14 Next should be someone finding samples on one of the sites! Brando, crumbs, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and 5 others 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 So around 22 minutes of JW material then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Well, the 8 score-only tracks (1-2, 4-6, 8, 10, 11) total 17:31 The 3 purely non-Williams tracks (3,7,9) total 7:35 We don't know how much of the 6:08 track 12 is Williams, and how much is Haydn, yet. enderdrag64 and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, Jay said: We don't know how much of the 6:08 track 12 is Williams, and how much is Haydn, yet. My bet is that it starts with the Haydn piece and transitions to Williams and that the track will be majority Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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