Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 It didn't sound like an official suite to me, but I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Theme or themes if you prefer to think of them as two, are used very well throughout the OST. I like how JP played with the new JW material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 I can also confirm the OST is chronological (including the placement of the silly source music). Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,287 Posted May 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, artguy360 said: I like how JP played with the new JW material. Why do I find it so funny that this is also Jurassic Park and Jurassic World? Pieter Boelen, Lao Che and Kasey Kockroach 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Williams made such clever use of Giacchino's original themes! I dare even declare somewhat SURPASSED him in that regard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted May 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2018 1 hour ago, King Mark said: did i mention i like Lando's Closet a lot. it's not impossible Williams helped out, i'm more and more certain of it. Like Powell handed the theme to Williams and Williams scribbled better notes over it Oh god fucking help us. Loert, Muad'Dib, Holko and 5 others 2 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Incanus 5,714 Posted May 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2018 The Adventures of Han feels to me like a collection of ideas associated with Han Solo, the A- and B-themes with different dramatic purposes and swashbuckling exciting sounding action music to characterize his often dangerous exploits. In a way a sort of thematic manual for Powell to use in his score in ways he saw fit. And as such a composite composition it feels akin to the Rebellion Is Reborn suite from the Last Jedi which combined Rose's Theme and Ahch-To/Luke in Exile Theme in a similar economic fashion. Jacck, Ricard and artguy360 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeH 768 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 I’ve grown to really enjoy The Rebellion Is Reborn but it’s still a bit jarring in the way it segues between ideas. Adventures of Han definitely feels more coherent, at least to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, Incanus said: The Adventures of Han feels to me like a collection of ideas associated with Han Solo, the A- and B-themes with different dramatic purposes and swashbuckling exciting sounding action music to characterize his often dangerous exploits. In a way a sort of thematic manual for Powell to use in his score in ways he saw fit. And as such a composite composition it feels akin to the Rebellion Is Reborn suite from the Last Jedi which combined Rose's Theme and Ahch-To/Luke in Exile Theme in a similar economic fashion. Though that's a much better cue, overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, publicist said: Though that's a much better cue, overall. Well I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 14 minutes ago, Incanus said: The Adventures of Han feels to me like a collection of ideas associated with Han Solo, the A- and B-themes with different dramatic purposes and swashbuckling exciting sounding action music to characterize his often dangerous exploits. In a way a sort of thematic manual for Powell to use in his score in ways he saw fit. And as such a composite composition it feels akin to the Rebellion Is Reborn suite from the Last Jedi which combined Rose's Theme and Ahch-To/Luke in Exile Theme in a similar economic fashion. That's how I feel about the track too. It's like "here's how you might use this theme in different permutations." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 34 minutes ago, TGP said: Oh god fucking help us. More like J. Powell wrote it, then J. Williams patted him on the back and said "You're doing amazing, sweetie". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 JW's track is sonically very different than the rest of the OST. You can hear that it was recorded by a different orchestra in a different studio. I wish Powell recorded and slightly reorchestrated JW's arrangement to meld it better with the rest of the score. As is, the first track sounds like a demo. It really reminds me of Joe Hisaishi's image albums for each Ghibli score compared to the actual OSTs. Jacck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Incanus 5,714 Posted May 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2018 I have to say that Williams still has the knack for writing the catchiest of melodies. This Han tune has been playing in my head ever since I first heard it. Hummable, quite hummable I say. Jacck, Joni Wiljami, Nathan95 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 http://variety.com/2018/music/news/solo-a-star-wars-story-john-powell-score-john-williams-1202821271/ This new piece confirms 2 things 1. William did infact write multiple (more than one = 2) themes and he wrote them as distinct ideas. I think somewhere along the line it was decided that they should be presented in one cue. 2. Powell does indeed call JW's track a demo. So maybe it is that - a sketch or template rather than a properly constructed concert piece though it is being played in concerts. So I think we should consider the A and B parts as 2 seperate themes and the adventures track to be a suite of two themes rather than a single theme track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 "Williams actually wrote several short pieces, and the “Adventures of Han” theme that debuted in Boston (and which opens the soundtrack album) is a combination of two of them " It says Adventures of Han is 2 themes of several Williams wrote.... Again that Jurassic Park Jeep-like theme seems like another Williams theme to me Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 So it is Han Hero Theme and Han Searching Theme as Powell puts it in the Variety article: Quote Williams actually wrote several short pieces, and the “Adventures of Han” theme that debuted in Boston (and which opens the soundtrack album) is a combination of two of them. Powell calls them the “Han hero theme” and “Han searching theme” and utilized them throughout his two-hour score for “Solo.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmarps 217 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 2 hours ago, King Mark said: did i mention i like Lando's Closet a lot. it's not impossible Williams helped out, i'm more and more certain of it. Like Powell handed the theme to Williams and Williams scribbled better notes over it The sole fact that there’s an oboe playing a melody and not a god damn trumpet like the rest of the score shows that Williams had something to do with this. igger6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 well if the Williams recording is like a demo, and not even in the film, I guess were pretty lucky they included it on the c.d. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 The piece has grown on me and I was humming it all the way while i was out now. I think it's better than anything written for The Last Jedi. Syntactically speaking, this is one of the rare instances in the whole Williams ouvre where both themes are stated with the same/varied thematic idea 4 times in a row, like the Irish theme from Far and Away I had mentioned in my chapter in Contemporary FIlm Music: Some other examples are the Book thief theme and Sayuri's theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 I’m sure it was more than a demo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacck 23 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 35 minutes ago, rough cut said: I’m sure it was more than a demo. Given the sloppy performance, and that Powell basically needed it to do the score, I'd say no. It's a courtesy work done in an afternoon. Next. Ricard, Falstaft and Joni Wiljami 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 17 minutes ago, Jack said: Given the sloppy performance, and that Powell basically needed it to do the score, I'd say no. It's a courtesy work done in an afternoon. Next. I didn't find anything wrong with the performance. Falstaft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 770 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 2 hours ago, filmmusic said: The piece has grown on me and I was humming it all the way while i was out now. I think it's better than anything written for The Last Jedi. I agree. It's a good theme and I like it more than, say, Rebellion is Reborn. Although it sounds (to me) quite different from a standard SW theme for a character, and more like an action setpiece. I have a sort of sense of defamiliarization about that, as it really would not fit the character of Han as I know it from the previous movies, but I guess it would be right for this one (that I have not seen yet). The only thing I don't like about that track is the false ending trick, which makes the ending sound a bit like trailer music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom 4,658 Posted May 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Score said: The only thing I don't like about that track is the false ending trick, which makes the ending sound a bit like trailer music. The man has been obsessed with false endings for 30 years now. I think its inclusion sells it a as a Williams's concert piece. Will, Bayesian and igger6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 770 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 14 minutes ago, Tom said: The man has been obsessed with false endings for 30 years now. I think its inclusion sells it a as a Williams's concert piece. Yes, this is true. The first one is probably (?) the Forest Battle, so it's 35 years! (This made me realize that today is exactly the 35th anniversary of ROTJ!) Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted May 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2018 5 hours ago, rough cut said: I’m sure it was more than a demo. The Adventures of Han is not the demo recording Williams did at Sony last January. It's a concert suite arrangement JW made purposefully for the OST album and for concert performance that was recorded last April at Newman Fox Scoring Stage. As Powell said in at least a couple of interviews, it's an arrangement made of two of the thematic ideas JW wrote for the film, tailored and expanded in concert-like form. The fact it doesn't "sound" like a straightforward character theme presentation to many ears, I guess, is just because it's not a march, or a regular-meter piece with a clear ABA form, but it's definitely more rhapsodic in nature, with odd meters and quick episodes of development. The piece has however a very strong "concert-like" form, like an overture brillante in the spirit of Walton and Shostakovich (as someone else noticed previosuly, it almost reminds of the Walton-like "Esplanade Overture"). I think Powell explained the whole process with JW very clearly in this interview with Dan Schweiger: http://www.filmmusicmag.com/?p=18764 Sharkissimo, Ricard, Ludwig and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Yeah yeah, but you don’t have to tell me. I’m the one saying it’s not the demo. Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Sorry, wrong quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Haha, no worries! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 It's a great, catchy, and very listenable piece, but it's not better than Rebellion is Reborn! Come on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 They're both interesting and engaging pieces, with a very nice sense of development and dramatic arc. Curiously, they also both feature classical dance-like episodes (a sarabande in "Rebellion is Reborn" and a galop in "Adventures of Han"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 I prefer Rebellion is Reborn by a wide margin Josh500 and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted May 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2018 I think what Williams was striving the most with this piece is to have fun with the orchestra players instead of the usual concert arrangement people expect from him. And also, considering he's 86, this piece has the energy of a 20-year old! It's amazing the sheer energy the whole thing has. toothless, MikeH, ocelot and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 It certainly puts itself up there. It's actually quite awesome that Williams did something like this at his age, like @Muad'Dib has said. This sounds a lot like a younger Williams. Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,658 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Muad'Dib said: I think what Williams was striving the most with this piece is to have fun with the orchestra players instead of the usual concert arrangement people expect from him. And also, considering he's 86, this piece has the energy of a 20-year old! It's amazing the sheer energy the whole thing has. That is a good assessment. I plays a bit like his recent Music for Brass, the Military band piece, and Just Down West Street--little moments for different sections of the orchestra to shine. ps. this piece has been around for like 24 hours by now. Why is there no poll regarding it place among something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post filmmusic 1,829 Posted May 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2018 2 hours ago, TownerFan said: The Adventures of Han is not the demo recording Williams did at Sony last January. It's a concert suite arrangement JW made purposefully for the OST album and for concert performance that was recorded last April at Newman Fox Scoring Stage. As Powell said in at least a couple of interviews, it's an arrangement made of two of the thematic ideas JW wrote for the film, tailored and expanded in concert-like form. The fact it doesn't "sound" like a straightforward character theme presentation to many ears, I guess, is just because it's not a march, or a regular-meter piece with a clear ABA form, but it's definitely more rhapsodic in nature, with odd meters and quick episodes of development. The piece has however a very strong "concert-like" form, like an overture brillante in the spirit of Walton and Shostakovich (as someone else noticed previosuly, it almost reminds of the Walton-like "Esplanade Overture"). I think Powell explained the whole process with JW very clearly in this interview with Dan Schweiger: http://www.filmmusicmag.com/?p=18764 I wouldn't say it's rhapsodic at all (which suggests an improvisation in form). It follows more or less the form of a classical rondo: A B C A B A coda SteveMc, Jurassic Shark and TownerFan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 11 hours ago, Incanus said: I have to say that Williams still has the knack for writing the catchiest of melodies. This Han tune has been playing in my head ever since I first heard it. Hummable, quite hummable I say. I picked it up quite instantly while watching the film last night. Haven't heard Williams' suite beforehand. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 I've been humming it since those piano mockups first showed up, and haven't gone an hour without doing it since. MikeH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Chewie's theme is a real ear-worm too. Karol Smaug The Iron and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Its statement towards the beginning of "Break Out" is a highlight of the score. DarthDementous and Ricardo Mortimer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Mortimer 43 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 52 minutes ago, crocodile said: Chewie's theme is a real ear-worm too. Karol Yeah, very Williamsy...I expected the whole score in this style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 48 minutes ago, Loert said: Its statement towards the beginning of "Break Out" is a highlight of the score. Love the "Mine Mission" one too. He did the Wookiee proud! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post igger6 894 Posted May 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2018 This whole movie/score/album is a triumph. This is literally the best thing a JWFan could hope for in the continuation of the Maestro's musical legacy in the franchise. Powell veers a bit into RCP percussion, but I think it usually works for the vibe of the movie, and he brings the melodies so much more satisfyingly then Giacchino did in Rogue One (though, for the record, I still think Gia has a great Star Wars score in him if he gets more than three weeks to write it). And then there's JW's contribution, which grounds the movie in a perfect Star Wars sound while dovetailing nicely with Powell's themes. This is amazing. I just wish the Spoiler Duel of the Fates quote (!!!!!!!!!!!!!) could have made it onto the album. I'm still thinking I hallucinated that entire scene. What a great ride. If we could carry on this system of Williams supervision for as long as it can last, I'd be a happy camper. If not, just give Powell the keys. Kasey Kockroach, Smaug The Iron, Taikomochi and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Heard the album version of the theme/suite a couple of times now. Quite nice, the B- theme especially. Am listening to the whole soundtrack, and, so far, it appears alright. Powell integrates the Williams themes quite well. Williams' contribution does have a sort of exciting energy that was missing from the more polished and restrained TLJ score, but this is a consequence of the respective movies more than anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 I'm extremely pleased at the use of those hurried strings from The Battle of Crait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Death, taxes and that flute run at 1.03 Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ocelot 508 Posted May 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 26, 2018 I'm really enjoying the album but I think all those synth drums cheapen the score to me. It's not needed. There's enough percussion in the orchestra to not need cheap repeated notes whacking all over the place over the whole score.... gggrrrrrr..... This guy is a really good composer, why do this to the score?! Anyway, just my opinion. It's just not needed and sounds odd and like your trying to hide something when there is nothing to hide. It doesn't let the music speak. I love it in something streamlined like the Bourne movies. I adore those scores, but this is Star Wars. Give me orchestra and have 10 orchestral percussionists on various drums from Timpani, Taiko, Log, Snares, Toms etc etc etc, make it organic! Joni Wiljami, leeallen01 and Ricard 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 I think most of it is organic, just prelaid rather than recorded live with the orchestra. ocelot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 Yeah I was going to say that, pretty sure it's all jammed live. What makes it sound a little synthetic, and the rest of the mix actually, is the damn smiley EQing that happens with a lot of Powell's scores. Could do without that. ocelot and Mattris 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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