HOOK (1991) - NEW! 2023 3-CD Ultimate Edition Produced, Edited, and Mastered by Mike Matessino featuring all Williams/Bricusse songs

[GerateWohl 4,370]

7 minutes ago, blondheim said:

The Lost World didn’t because it would have needed to be a three CD set, which would have made it more expensive and probably harder to put out. I think Danny Elfman probably insisted on Spider-Man which is why that happened.

If I understood it correctly for TLW there would have been anyway just one track with a special album edit. But that one could have been added as single bonus track. 

 

And for Elfman, I like a lot of his music. But I never felt the need to own any expansion of his work because usually I would have been fine with about 50 to 70% of his OSTs. After all, he is not a John Williams. 

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38 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

Oh sure, but wasn't RC a plain combo too?

 

It can't be recreated cleanly using only the new set because Follow That Shadow is adjoined to The Home Run in the film presentation, while OST Remembering Childhood fades from The Home Run directly into I Remember. So that's probably why it's included on disc 3.

 

On the other hand, one can very easily recreate OST You Are The Pan by simply combining The Face Of Pan and You Are The Pan (Film Version) from discs 1 and 2.

 

22 minutes ago, GerateWohl said:

If I understood it correctly for TLW there would have been anyway just one track with a special album edit. But that one could have been added as single bonus track. 

 

There's actually 6 combo tracks on the TLW OST that were never ported to either LLL release, but they can be recreated easily enough.

• The Island Prologue
• Malcolm's Journey
• Hammond's Plan
• The Compy's Dine
• Ludlow's Demise
• Finale and Jurassic Park Theme

You also have the OST versions of Rescuing Sarah, The Stegosaurus and Visitor in San Diego, which contain microedits or crossfaded cues.

[mstrox 6,651]

I have a feeling this Hook release is going to be good.

[GerateWohl 4,370]

It is so unbelievable that this score is 32 years old. When I was a teenager 32 ago was about before John Williams even had written his very first film score. 

[Jurassic Shark 12,079]

44 minutes ago, mstrox said:

I have a feeling this Hook release is going to be good.

 

But will it be as good as the OST?

[mstrox 6,651]

In the case of Hook, probably better!

[Andy 4,138]

 

1 hour ago, mstrox said:

I have a feeling this Hook release is going to be good.

[Nemesis 245]

[rough cut 1,714]

One might say that this release will be off the hook.

[Brando 1,864]

I was watching this video and thought I'd share in case someone hadn't seen or heard this before, but in the film, Hook's Entrance is cut short as Hook starts to talk about how he kidnapped Peter's children. You can kind of see how most of the unused portion would've played against the film in this clip. Description says it's an alternate take of the scene, and either in a different take or dialogue dubbing, they had Dustin scale back a bit on how he delivered his lines, here he's almost growling them, where in the final film he's more calm about it. Pretty cool stuff.

 

[BrotherSound 2,242]

I’m surprised no one’s commented on the sample of the short version of Farewell Neverland. It sounds just like the familiar ending until abruptly heading off in a different direction (sounding rather like the Never-feast insert) at the very end of the clip. What a tease!

[Brando 1,864]

16 minutes ago, BrotherSound said:

I’m surprised no one’s commented on the sample of the short version of Farewell Neverland. It sounds just like the familiar ending until abruptly heading off in a different direction (sounding rather like the Never-feast insert) at the very end of the clip. What a tease!

I mentioned it on our discord, but I liked the return of the twinkling similar to The Never-Feast! I can't wait to listen to the rest of it! That was a lovely surprise!

[Goldfingers 126]

Have at thee !

 

[scallenger 483]

[John Takis 206]

Good ears, BrotherSound and Brando! Just one of many lovely surprises this set holds, even for the most devoted of HOOK fans...

[QuartalHarmony 543]

Since there isn't room on this for an OST remaster (a la the recent JP and Superman releases) without going to a fourth disc, is it going to be possible to make a playlist from this new set to recreate the OST?

 

[Personally, I don't particularly want to - apart from maybe replacing the Prologue track with the same thing but in the correct tempo/speed/key - since the sound quality and editing on the OST were pretty good, but I'm just interested]

 

Mark

[oierem 152]

29 minutes ago, QuartalHarmony said:

Since there isn't room on this for an OST remaster (a la the recent JP and Superman releases) without going to a fourth disc, is it going to be possible to make a playlist from this new set to recreate the OST?

 

 

Some of the combined cues are split up (Granny Wendy, Hook-napped, and The Face of Pan). 

 

By the way, what happened to Banning Back Home album verion? This set seems to have the film version and a significantly longer alternative....

[BB-8 3,480]

 

 

[DrTenma 116]

I'm very happy for this and at the same time a little bit angry at myself for buying in 2023 two times 3 scores from Williams: Jurassic Park, Lost World (well, if you count the original scores releases those two are triple buys!) and Hook. 

 

Anyway, this is a very promising release of of his best works!

 

 

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36 minutes ago, oierem said:

By the way, what happened to Banning Back Home album verion? This set seems to have the film version and a significantly longer alternative....

 

The album version is just an edited/cut-down version of what's on this new set. There's zero reason to include it.

[Goldfingers 126]

15 hours ago, Brando said:

I was watching this video and thought I'd share in case someone hadn't seen or heard this before, but in the film, Hook's Entrance is cut short as Hook starts to talk about how he kidnapped Peter's children. You can kind of see how most of the unused portion would've played against the film in this clip. Description says it's an alternate take of the scene, and either in a different take or dialogue dubbing, they had Dustin scale back a bit on how he delivered his lines, here he's almost growling them, where in the final film he's more calm about it. Pretty cool stuff.

 

I think the music work more on that "alternative" take than the final cut version of the scene. Dustin Hoffman explored multiple ways for his scenes.
And it was quite exhausting for the entire crew, actually, when I hear the impressions of some people who worked on the film. Even Spielberg was sometimes tired when he was sure to have the right take; Hoffman wanted to redo it, to try something else.
For exemple, when Crosby shouts, "Save me, daddy," while Peter is attempting to touch his children. Hoffman is seen pushing the pirates, shouting, "Fly! Fly! Fly!" In the next shot - / cut on the same shot /, he walks more slowly, smiling, saying, "Come on, Peter, fly! Stop pretending."

I love the unused musics but it's clear that sometimes, the music distracts from the dialogue. And when you see how Hook is already musically extremly rich, it's good to have moments without music. 

[1977 1,743]

Does anyone have any idea how long it usually takes for the other retailers to receive their LLL stock? I want to order this with something else from Intrada and don't want them to split the order.

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13 minutes ago, JTWfan77 said:

Does anyone have any idea how long it usually takes for the other retailers to receive their LLL stock? I want to order this with something else from Intrada and don't want them to split the order.

 

They're generally pretty good, just depends how LLL prioritize orders. I assume for BF they keep aside a certain amount of stock for other retailers (and maybe ship those before starting on customer orders).

 

I remember for Wrath of Khan they were so inundated with orders the entire first pressing was exhausted before they fulfilled all orders, so Intrada didn't get any stock until the second pressing (which took a few weeks from memory). That was so LLL could prioritise orders of their own.

[Jay 37,369]

16 hours ago, BrotherSound said:

I’m surprised no one’s commented on the sample of the short version of Farewell Neverland. It sounds just like the familiar ending until abruptly heading off in a different direction (sounding rather like the Never-feast insert) at the very end of the clip. What a tease!

 

And I'm surprised nobody has commented that there is a track called "Smee's Concertina Medley" and pondered what that could be!

[MaxTheHouseelf 324]

1 hour ago, JTWfan77 said:

Does anyone have any idea how long it usually takes for the other retailers to receive their LLL stock? I want to order this with something else from Intrada and don't want them to split the order.

Don't know about Intrada but Music Box Records receive it usually after 2 weeks, so if everything goes well, I expect to receive the shipping notification on Friday, 15th Dec, so the parcel should make it to Germany just in time for the holidays.

[blondheim 1,157]

16 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

And I'm surprised nobody has commented that there is a track called "Smee's Concertina Medley" and pondered what that could be!

Oh I’ve pondered. It’s hard to channel all my excitement into the specific coherent questions. Also, I asked earlier about the track listing and it seems like everyone is waiting until the podcast airs or the set arrives to answer. So I didn’t ask anything else. But yes, I'm certainly curious about it.

[A. A. Ron 1,742]

Yeah with this much new material, there’s too many questions to put them all down.

[Jay 37,369]

Listening will answer many questions.

The liner notes will answer many more.

 

The various upcoming podcast episodes will answer even more.

 

Lots of discussions to be had about this masterpiece in the coming months!

[blondheim 1,157]

There are so many things to be excited for,

certainly. The more I look at the presentation, the more I like it. Originally I was a little weirded out by the additional music section but I think those tracks will play well after the main program. The End Credits has Tink and the Lost Boys Chase already so the additional music sort of adds on to be an extension of the end credits sampler.

 

I also think the way each disc ends is very strong. That final Childhood theme statement of the Ultimate War will end disc 2 and then that great big vocal ending of Presenting the Hook ends disc 3! Two great and exciting thematic statements. I suspect it will always have me wanting to put disc one right back in again.

 

I mentioned how the additional music section looks like it will play as a little extended credits sampler but the little bonus section at the end of disc 3 looks to be a little alternate arrival in Pirate Town. So we have the film version on Disc 1, the vocal version on Disc 2 with the song Low Below incorporated and then the Bonus section of Disc 3, instrumental but for the cries of “Hook” for a rousing finish.

 

Have I mentioned how much time I’ve spent just reading the track list?

[bollemanneke 3,349]

I have two questions about the score in general.

 

What's the theme called that opens the trailer cue, meaning the one the horns play, and it also returns once more, I think, at the opening in Hook-napped.

 

And what's the theme called that closes the score, right before the end credits begin? Am I right in thinking it only appears in that cue?

[scallenger 483]

When can we expect the first podcast interview to drop?

[Goldfingers 126]

3 hours ago, Jay said:

 

And I'm surprised nobody has commented that there is a track called "Smee's Concertina Medley" and pondered what that could be!

People who don't have access to the scripts can't tell that Smee was supposed to always have his concertina (called a harmonium in that storyboard). In the final cut of the film, we only see Tickles (played by David Crosby) with a concertina.

[Brando 1,864]

3 hours ago, Jay said:

 

And I'm surprised nobody has commented that there is a track called "Smee's Concertina Medley" and pondered what that could be!

Its most likely not, but when I saw that my mind immediately thought of this: 

 

[blondheim 1,157]

11 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

I have two questions about the score in general.

 

What's the theme called that opens the trailer cue, meaning the one the horns play, and it also returns once more, I think, at the opening in Hook-napped.

 

And what's the theme called that closes the score, right before the end credits begin? Am I right in thinking it only appears in that cue?

I believe it also appears near their final confrontation. I’ve always loosely thought of it as Hook vs Pan (or Pan vs Hook, if you prefer)

 

Very excited to see the sanctioned theme names and descriptions in the booklet. I could be wrong!

[MrJosh 892]

3 hours ago, Jay said:

 

And I'm surprised nobody has commented that there is a track called "Smee's Concertina Medley" and pondered what that could be!

I'm intrigued!

 

The title made me think of Jabba's Baroque Recital haha. I wonder what this is!

[Dr. Rick 1,157]

My order is now Awaiting Shipment!  

[Tydirium 1,167]

Mine too!

[bollemanneke 3,349]

Okay, I'll be the one to say that this means nothing. Just for completeness' sake.

[Brando 1,864]

Both Hook and The Sandlot are awaiting shipment!!

[Bespin 8,484]

1 hour ago, MrJosh said:

I'm intrigued!

 

The title made me think of Jabba's Baroque Recital haha. I wonder what this is!

 

+10 to Gryffindor for faking that it really interested you.

 

Who can be interested in a source cue played on the accordion?

 

You it seems.

 

Nice sportsmanlike conduct!

[mstrox 6,651]

Since it’s a medley, I bet it’s a handful of Williams’ themes.  If so, a very neat oddity (and tucked into the right place on the set, haha)

[Faleel 5,356]

1 minute ago, mstrox said:

Since it’s a medley, I bet it’s a handful of Williams’ themes. 

Just curious, what makes you think that follows?

[Jay 37,369]

2 hours ago, bollemanneke said:

I have two questions about the score in general.

 

What's the theme called that opens the trailer cue, meaning the one the horns play, and it also returns once more, I think, at the opening in Hook-napped.

 

People called it various different names in the past, but we came up with our own name for it in the liner notes.

 

That theme appears in "Hook Returns To Kensington", "Hook Is Back", "Peter's Challenge", and "The Sword Fight"!

 

 

2 hours ago, bollemanneke said:

And what's the theme called that closes the score, right before the end credits begin? Am I right in thinking it only appears in that cue?

 

It also appears in "Forgotten How To Fly"

[Groovygoth666 670]

Got my order updated to awaiting shipment email as well! 

[bollemanneke 3,349]

3 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

People called it various different names in the past, but we came up with our own name for it in the liner notes.

 

 

It also appears in "Forgotten How To Fly"

It must feel great that you got to help decide what we would be calling the themes from now on. Any names MM gives to themes are the definitive names for me.

[mstrox 6,651]

1 hour ago, Presto said:

Just curious, what makes you think that follows?

It seems like something cutesy Williams would do - like the source music in Harry Potter (Hagrid’s flute, for instance) playing Williams’ unrelated themes.  Also because Jason indicated it was interesting, so I’m assuming it’s not just some random pirate jig stuff.

[blondheim 1,157]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

 

People called it various different names in the past, but we came up with our own name for it in the liner notes.

 

That theme appears in "Hook Returns To Kensington", "Hook Is Back", "Peter's Challenge", and "The Sword Fight"!

 

 

 

It also appears in "Forgotten How To Fly"

So is that Toodles Theme? 😉

[Faleel 5,356]

18 minutes ago, mstrox said:

It seems like something cutesy Williams would do - like the source music in Harry Potter (Hagrid’s flute, for instance) playing Williams’ unrelated themes.  Also because Jason indicated it was interesting, so I’m assuming it’s not just some random pirate jig stuff.

It's obviously a new version if this:

 

 

[Jay 37,369]

26 minutes ago, mstrox said:

Jason indicated it was interesting

 

I did?

[Faleel 5,356]

2 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

I did?

😉