Williams nominated for two 2024 Grammys - wins Best Instrumental Composition for "Helena's Theme"

[Jay 37,369]

70. Best Score Soundtrack For Visual Media (Includes Film And Television)

Award to Composer(s) for an original score created specifically for, or as a companion to, a current legitimate motion picture, television show or series, or other visual media.

1. Barbie - Mark Ronson & Andrew Wyatt, composers
2. Black Panther: Wakanda Forever - Ludwig Göransson, composer
3. The Fabelmans - John Williams, composer
4. Indiana Jones And The Dial Of Destiny - John Williams, composer
5. Oppenheimer - Ludwig Göransson, composer

 

84. Best Instrumental Composition

A Composer's Award for an original composition (not an adaptation) first released during the Eligibility Year. Singles or Tracks only.

1. Amerikkan Skin - Lakecia Benjamin, composer (Lakecia Benjamin Featuring Angela Davis)
2. Can You Hear The Music - Ludwig Göransson, composer (Ludwig Göransson)
3. Cutey And The Dragon - Gordon Goodwin & Raymond Scott, composers (Quartet San Francisco Featuring Gordon Goodwin's Big Phat Band)
4. Helena's Theme - John Williams, composer (John Williams)
5. Motion - Edgar Meyer, composer (Béla Fleck, Edgar Meyer & Zakir Hussain Featuring Rakesh Chaurasia)

 

https://www.grammy.com/news/2024-grammys-nominees-song-of-the-year

[mrbellamy 6,287]

Get some, Johnny

[Edmilson 7,466]

Nice selections of scores. I like all of them, except for maybe Barbie, which I only heard in the movie but not outside of it. 

 

Still, I think probably all of these awards will go to Göransson.

[Tom 4,661]

Williams has much better luck with the Grammys versus Oscars.  Probably because the awards are actually about music as such.  

[Toillion 215]

We have ourselves a real Williams vs Göransson showdown.

[Mr. Hooper 1,792]

[LB Makes Stuff 240]

I expect the Visual Award to go to Göransson, but the Instrumental Composition to go to Williams. Not bets will be taken from me at this time…

[artguy360 1,843]

I could see JW winning best instrumental composition for Helena's Theme, but not for original score.

[Brando 1,864]

Very nice

[Bayesian 1,363]

JW writes two film scores, gets a Grammy nom for each. Sounds about right.

[Bellosh 3,419]

if you had told me in 2008 Indiana Jones 5 would be up for a grammy in the year 2023 i'd say you've lost your fucking mind and you need to find help.

 

i hope he sweeps.

 

 

[Faleel 5,354]

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51 minutes ago, Bellosh said:

 

 

i hope he sweeps.

 

 

[igger6 894]

Do we know how many times Williams has been double-nominated in one category and self-spoiled?

[mrbellamy 6,287]

58 minutes ago, Bellosh said:

if you had told me in 2008 Indiana Jones 5 would be up for a grammy in the year 2023 i'd say you've lost your fucking mind and you need to find help.

 

"John Williams will probably still be here fifteen years from now getting Grammy nominations for Indiana Jones 5 and The Steven Spielberg Biopic" is definitely a joke post someone could have made on JWFan in 2008 

[Tom 4,661]

Relistened to The Fabelmans recently.  What a gem of a score--just core, essential Williams without the fanfare (literally).  

[Marian Schedenig 8,200]

Based on this list, Williams has now overtaken Georg Solti, Stevie Wonder, and Kanye West with his new nominations. And based on this list his his win:nomination ratio is 1:2.92, so statistically he should win another one this time.

 

*Edit: I see the first list is one year old, so I'm not sure if the numbers are up to date?

[Bellosh 3,419]

Is it safe to say these two scores will also be up for best score at the Oscars?

[mrbellamy 6,287]

Fabelmans already was nominated at the most recent Oscars (Grammys have a different timeline whereas Oscars are just the calendar year) 

 

I still think there's a chance he gets snubbed for Indy but he's always pencilled in for a nomination by default

[Ricard 2,245]

11 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said:

Based on this list, Williams has now overtaken Georg Solti, Stevie Wonder, and Kanye West with his new nominations. 

 

Yes, the updated ranking confirms this.

 

[Thor 7,508]

Who's Jay David Saks?

[mrbellamy 6,287]

Looks like a producer for classical music, opera, musical theatre

[Marian Schedenig 8,200]

4 hours ago, Ricard said:

 

Yes, the updated ranking confirms this.

 

 

That also means that if you consider Williams a "classical" (or orchestral) artist (and Quincy Jones not one), Williams is now the most Grammy nominated classical artist, living or dead.

[mrbellamy 6,287]

He probably has more purely orchestral or instrumental nominations than Jones

 

But if you don't count his Home Alone and Sabrina song nominations, is Williams tied with Solti?

[Alex 2,835]

 

For Helena’s Theme

[Brando 1,864]

[geom_00 36]

WELL DESERVED!!

 

And at least the other category he was nominated in DIDN'T go to Barbie

[Mr. Hooper 1,792]

Though I've unleashed the Indiana Jones Disenchantment Thread upon the world, this I can have no argument with! 'Helena's Theme' makes the existence of 'Dial of Destiny' (mostly) bearable. Bravo, Mr. Williams.

[igger6 894]

Woohoo!  I love this category, and I love that they so frequently honor film pieces in it.  That's an even dozen for Johnny, although I have to say, giving it to "Angela's Ashes" over "The Egg Travels" from Dinosaur was a cryin' shame.  But then again, skunking Hedwig was an equally cryin' shame, so I guess it's a dozen either way.

 

P.S. Your humble correspondent had the dubious honor of adding Johnny's name to the chart on this category's Wikipedia page!

[Obi 404]

Yeah !!

[Amer 2,110]

Another Grammy? Nice. But what I really want is.....

[BB-8 3,479]

5 hours ago, Amer said:

Another Grammy? Nice. But what I really want is.....

...the CD to be back in stock.

 

 

[Richard Penna 3,694]

As a part time DoD disenchanter, at least Helena's Theme is the most accomplished part of that score, in my view and if you're gonna give JW anything for that score, it's that piece.

 

However, just give Goransson the oscar now and put everyone here out of their misery.

[That_Bloke 115]

29 minutes ago, Richard Penna said:

However, just give Goransson the oscar now and put everyone here out of their misery.

 

IMHO I think Robertson has a bigger chance to get the Oscar than Goransson because:

 

(a) Goransson already has one, and

(b) Robertson's death (who has no wins) may trigger the sympathy vote.

 

But I digress...

 

An Oscar nom and Grammy win and still no CD in general retail or sheet music    

[Marian Schedenig 8,200]

With 26 Grammys, Williams is now tied with Pierre Boulez. Two more and he would tie wiht Quincy Jones for the #3 spot.

 

Stats from last year:

https://www.grammy.com/news/who-are-the-top-grammy-awards-winners-of-all-time

[JTN 2,030]

If only there was a category like that at the Oscars. 

[Richard Penna 3,694]

1 hour ago, That_Bloke said:

An Oscar nom and Grammy win and still no CD in general retail or sheet music    

 

Given the state of CD releases I'd guess most instrumental composition winners aren't easily (or at all) available on CD.

[BB-8 3,479]

Best Instrumental Composition

I interpret this to mean that all other categories at the Grammys either refer to non-instrumental music or to instrumental and non-instrumental arrangements. Thus, "Best Instrumental Composition" is possibly the supreme discipline at the Grammys when it comes to music.

[GerateWohl 4,370]

5 hours ago, Richard Penna said:

However, just give Goransson the oscar now and put everyone here out of their misery.

 

 

 

It is quite easy to compare and to hear what is better.

 

But I am sure Göransson's music sheets are worthy burning in John Williams' chimney and warming his feet on a long witer evening.

[Bespin 8,483]

I don't know if it has been mentioned, but he also won a Saturn Award for Indiana Jones.

[Richard Penna 3,694]

7 minutes ago, GerateWohl said:

It is quite easy to compare and to hear what is better.

 

My personal tastes and enjoyment lean me more towards Oppenheimer on this occasion.

 

7 minutes ago, GerateWohl said:

But I am sure Göransson's music sheets are worthy buring in John Williams' chimney and warm his feet on a long witer night.

 

Wow.

[BB-8 3,479]

11 minutes ago, GerateWohl said:

 

 

 

It is quite easy to compare and to hear what is better.

 

But I am sure Göransson's music sheets are worthy buring in John Williams' chimney and warm his feet on a long witer night.

 

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

Oppenheimer doesn't work as the "awards scapegoat" because it's actually good.  

[Smeltington 1,440]

I guess we can assume the non-Mutter version is the piece that was nominated and won, since the title is just "Helena's Theme". But do we have any other evidence of this?

[p0llux 398]

Well deserved award. Helena's Theme was best piece of film music I heard all year. Nobody else in this category came close. Very happy with this win. 

[Marian Schedenig 8,200]

9 hours ago, BB-8 said:

Best Instrumental Composition

I interpret this to mean that all other categories at the Grammys either refer to non-instrumental music or to instrumental and non-instrumental arrangements.

 

Nah. There's all kinds of categories that refer to a variety of things. Plus apparently they're divided into "fields". The "Best Instrumental Composition" category is part of the "Production, Engineering, Composition & Arrangement" field, which encompasses these categories:

 

• Producer of the Year, Classical
• Best Remixed Recording, Non-Classical
• Best Immersive Audio Album
• Best Instrumental Composition
• Best Engineered Album, Classical
• Best Engineered Album, Non-Classical
• Best Arrangement, Instrumental or A Cappella
• Best Arrangement, Instrumental and Vocals

 

So it's clearly a contrast to e.g. the two arrangement categories. But it's not necessarily mutually exclusive with categories from the other fields I suppose - except that there's clearly little overlap in Williams's case with things like "Best Bluegrass Album", "Best Rock Song", or "Song of the Year".

[Bellosh 3,419]

8 hours ago, GerateWohl said:

 

 

 

It is quite easy to compare and to hear what is better.

 

But I am sure Göransson's music sheets are worthy burning in John Williams' chimney and warming his feet on a long witer evening.

 

That Oppie cue sounds so much like Interstellar. 

[pete 907]

4 hours ago, Bellosh said:

 

That Oppie cue sounds so much like Interstellar. 

 

It certainly has a familair vibe, but the changes in tempo are mindbogglingly complex and hard to pull off. This video goes into the complexity of the piece rhythmically (and melodicaly) and how difficult it was for the musicans to record it, and it gave me a greater appreciation of the piece.
 

 

 

Back to Williams win. Did he attend the ceremony?

[Will 2,215]

 

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[King Mark 3,631]

That Oppenheimer track wasn't pleasant to listen to .Started grating on me a minute into the track .But it sounds gimmicky enough to win the Oscar

[artguy360 1,843]

Congratulations to John. Well deserved. A great new theme by JW.