HOOK (1991) - NEW! 2023 3-CD Ultimate Edition Produced, Edited, and Mastered by Mike Matessino featuring all Williams/Bricusse songs

[Dr. Rick 1,157]

1 hour ago, Bayesian said:

(Is that splash piece available in larger resolution anywhere??)

 

Here's the splash art from Twitter, not sure if it's the same as FB...

 

[Laserschwert 475]

Well, he asked for a bigger version, so here goes.

 

[blondheim 1,157]

26 minutes ago, Holko said:

And now it's slightly overrated!

 

 

 

 

 

 

runs

You don’t know. Your opinion doesn’t matter yet

 

 

just stay HAF

[Jay 37,369]

6 hours ago, QuartalHarmony said:

Indeed - I can't remember what the Prologue music ended up being used for, though I think it's been mentioned on here. Was it used on an obscure teaser, or was it intended for trailer use but never actually used?

 

There's this on YouTube, but they're unclear about whether it was actually released or not:

 

 

"Prologue" is titled "Hook Trailer" on Williams' original manuscript, and it was written for the film's teaser trailer, which is the trailer that you included in your post. This trailer was in theaters in the summer of 1991.  The later "main" trailer that debuted in the fall of 1991 used music from Williams' Witches of Eastwick score.

 

This teaser trailer cue was written and recorded after Williams worked on all the songs and the movie was filmed, before he went and recorded JFK then came back to write and record the main score to Hook.  Both of the main melodies heard in the trailer cue return as themes in the film score, just like the melodies of six of the nine songs he had written do.

[Holko 9,529]

It's a gorgeous fantastic teaser too! Must be a double motion control rig, one for the camera (or for the map?) and one for the magnifying glass? No way someone held it that steadily.

 

 

13 minutes ago, blondheim said:

You don’t know. Your opinion doesn’t matter yet

 

 

just stay HAF

I meant Jurassic Park, you know, responding to Presto's response?

[blondheim 1,157]

12 minutes ago, Holko said:

It's a gorgeous fantastic teaser too! Must be a double motion control rig, one for the camera (or for the map?) and one for the magnifying glass? No way someone held it that steadily.

 

 

I meant Jurassic Park, you know, responding to Presto's response?

Jurassic Park?! Overrated?! What do you know!!!!

 

(😉)

[CompleteRecordingSessions 43]

11 hours ago, ThePenitentMan1 said:

A moment of silence for all of the "Hook will never get a proper release" jokes that we'll never be able to make again.

Truly a sad day for all JWFAN members .

[Andy 4,138]

I avoided Hook when it first came to theaters. I guess it looked like Spielberg was selling out for big name actors and schmaltzy production, but for whatever reason I gave it a bah humbug. 
 

Then I got the Sony Boston Pops Williams on Williams album and holy shit, what’s this magic?  Is The Banquet (The Never Feast) underrated?  The concert version surely deserves more love than it gets with that wonderful brassy opening and big crashing finish.  I was sold. (Hooked?)
 

Naturally I picked up the OST and realized what a fool I was for ever letting my JW fandom diminish due to my gut reaction to the film itself. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen the whole film. 
 

Then there was the Napster era of discovering the boots in horrible quality. That was fun. 
 

And here we are two expansions later.  I may not have been as upset as some with the last expansion, but it looks like this is going to prove again how much this score has to offer. 
 

 

[BB-8 3,480]

Back in the 90s I felt that JW was getting increasingly "corny" as opposed to his style from the 70s and 80s. But this attitude was partly due to the genre of some of the films that didn't really appeal to me at that time (when I was a naïve young fart). Today I love all of JW's stylistic phases.

[bollemanneke 3,349]

2 minutes ago, CompleteRecordingSessions said:

Truly a sad day for all JWFAN members.

Relax, we can still complain about Indy and SW and every other score MM hasn't yet tackled. We're all set for at least five years.

[Jay 37,369]

11 hours ago, filmmusic said:

I suppose it's safe to sell the older LLL HOOK now, right?

This new release seems loaded!

 

There is nothing available on the previous expansion (or any boots or leaks for that matter) that is not included in the Ultimate Edition.

 

Well, unless you count some wrong takes that don't offer anything different musically, just are not the performance Williams and Murphy selected to be used in 1991.  Everything on the new set is the correct intended performance edit where applicable.

[Andy 4,138]

1 minute ago, BB-8 said:

Back in the 90s I felt that JW was getting increasingly "corny" as opposed to his style from the 70s and 80s. But this attitude was partly due to the genre of some of the films that didn't really appeal to me at that time (when I was a naïve young fart). Today I love all of JW's stylistic phases.

Yes, I can relate.  Sometimes you have to “catch up”. with his phases by looking backward through the lens to fully appreciate the change. 

[Edmilson 7,466]

8 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

We're all set for at least fifteen years.

Fixed 

[CompleteRecordingSessions 43]

3 hours ago, bollemanneke said:

Relax, we can still complain about Indy and SW and every other score MM hasn't yet tackled. We're all set for at least five years.

Yay!

(Just Kidding.)

[Jay 37,369]

6 hours ago, Nemesis said:

Is it known what elements are beeing used? @Jay?

 

The majority of the release comes from analog tape that Shawn Murphy saved his brilliant stereo mixes of every take to, in 1991.  Nobody has to worry about any sound issues with this release -- as the samples should already tell you.  Just compare the samples of "Flight To Neverland", "The Ultimate War (Film Version)", and "Swordfight and The End of Hook" to the same music on the 2012 edition.

 

The songs (which were not recorded by Shawn Murphy) were saved on various different formats but sound just as good.

[Richard Penna 3,694]

23 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

Relax, we can still complain about Indy and SW and every other score MM hasn't yet tackled. We're all set for at least five years.

 

I'll give you (and join you) with Indy and SW.

 

But if you start moaning that JW's entire filmography isn't available as a super-deluxe edition, there are going to be murders 

 

Besides, when said mythical day comes that Williams' last score is expanded... what will you look forward to? (yeah I know, that'll be in 2099 and we're all dead)

[Jay 37,369]

1 hour ago, John F said:

My big question of this new set would be if that big sword fight cue towards the end of the Ultimate Way is still abruptly cut in half into separate cues  like it was on the previous Lala set. Hope not.

 

It's not.

[blondheim 1,157]

I’m super happy at work. Everyone thinks I got laid.

 

I’m… not gonna correct them 

[Jurassic Shark 12,079]

A true soundtrack fan never gets laid.

[blondheim 1,157]

4 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

A true soundtrack fan never gets laid.

He just doesn’t have the time.

 

Too many notes.

[GerateWohl 4,370]

12 hours ago, Groovygoth666 said:

FUCKING ORDERED!!!!! 

By the way, reading this I imagined this as an impressive act of multitasking.

It created some disturbing images in my head.

[Jay 37,369]

13 hours ago, Bayesian said:

@Jay, how long have you had to sit on this news?? Your restraint here — not a single hint from you that this was in the pipeline— was phenomenal. Kudos, sir. 

 

5 hours ago, Bespin said:

So @Jay, how many months ago did you know that Hook was going to be released?

 

8 hours ago, bollemanneke said:

Jay, tell us how long you've known about this, please. 2013? How do you cope with these things?

 

 

I began working on this album in May of 2016.

 

The whole story of the album will be shared on various podcasts coming soon.

[JTN 2,031]

2 hours ago, Laserschwert said:

Well, he asked for a bigger version, so here goes.

 

This would make a great poster. 

[King Mark 3,631]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

 

The majority of the release comes from analog tape that Shawn Murphy saved his brilliant stereo mixes of every take to, in 1991.  Nobody has to worry about any sound issues with this release

Great! That put my mind at ease and I take back my initial lukewarm reaction.

[Mr. Hooper 1,793]

13 hours ago, Bayesian said:

Fucking ordered as fuck!!!!!

It doesn't get more ordered than this! lol

 

48 minutes ago, Richard Penna said:

Besides, when said mythical day comes that Williams' last score is expanded... what will you look forward to?

 

JWFan.com:

 

 

31 minutes ago, blondheim said:

I’m super happy at work. Everyone thinks I got laid.

 

28 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

A true soundtrack fan never gets laid.

 

He does...with Goldsmith's "Chinatown" theme playing in the background.

[JTN 2,031]

41 minutes ago, blondheim said:

I’m super happy at work. Everyone thinks I got laid.

 

I’m… not gonna correct them 

 

[rough cut 1,714]

I saw Hook in the cinema back in 1991. But at the tender age of 11, a lot of the themes (in the movie, not the soundtrack) went over my head (Tinkerbell turned regular human size? What on earth was that all about? 😂).

 

I discovered John Williams “the composer” not many years later, in 1993 I think it was (in connection with Star Wars, of course). I was certainly aware of movie themes before that but that was the year when I discovered that all my favorite themes from my favorite movies originated from the same man. And I discovered that soundtracks were a thing. From then on, I’ve been on a life long journey to discover as much as possible of the maestro’s wonderful compositions.

 

Back in those pre-internet days, it was a slow process, compared to anything today. The only way to find out if JW had scored a movie was to A) to watch the movie (also a task into itself since my family didn’t have cable and weren’t big on renting movies), or B) to flip through the scant “soundtrack” selection at the local record store and discover which composer was attached to which movie. There were maybe 10-20 soundtracks all in all to choose from (and not just JW - I mean the total selection consisted of 10-20 soundtracks)!

 

I can’t say for sure at what age I discovered that Hook was John Williams, but it was quite “early” in my fandom. 15 years old? 16? But it was in there with the first slew of John Williams soundtracks I spent my allowance on.

 

Star Wars, Superman, E.T., Jaws, Jurassic Park, Hook…

 

Listening to Hook I fell in love instantly.

 

I am looking forward to listening to the score again and rediscover all those musical moments I once fell in love with. Not to mention all those gems to be discovered in the bonus track section. The set really looks fantastic - for what it already is and was - but also in its new presentation and in all its completeness.

 

Great job done to all involved, especially since it seems to have been a long time coming. Can’t wait to hear the story behind it!

[Bellosh 3,419]

39 minutes ago, blondheim said:

I’m super happy at work. Everyone thinks I got laid.

 

I’m… not gonna correct them 

 

Fitting considering Disney Emporium just fucked everyone here

[Holko 9,529]

19 minutes ago, Jay said:

I began working on this album in May of 2016.

Wow. And how many of those 7.5 years were just waiting for approvals to move onto the next stage or with all the work done already?

 

21 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

The whole story of the album will be shared on various podcasts coming soon.

Hopefully Mike got the hint from our reaction to a lack of an Amistad podcast and rejogged his memory

[King Mark 3,631]

Glad I ordered it today and not get an "out of stock" for several months until the next batch

7 minutes ago, Holko said:

Wow. And how many of those 7.5 years were just waiting for approvals to move onto the next stage or with all the work done already?

 

 Yeah that's quite alarming and frankly off putting to know. Maybe The Patriot has been sitting there for approval for the last 10 years.

 

Luckily were near the end of the road for Williams releases of important scores , and Indy and SW probably won't be by specially labels, but I worry about stuff like Tintin,BFG...

 

It feels almost like a miracle we got Harry Potter and the Jurassic Park scores out of the way.  

[JTN 2,031]

[Brando 1,864]

12 hours ago, Chewy said:

Yes!! And I'm so curious to hear stories about the sources used for this, considering how much could not be found for the 2012 release.

I hope it’s a 2+ hour episode!

[Jurassic Shark 12,079]

16 minutes ago, JTW said:

 

This is the sign we've been waiting for.

[filmmusic 1,837]

73,95 euros at music box records (incl. shipping) for one release! Ouch!

[Chewy 2,391]

Just now, filmmusic said:

73,95 euros at music box records (incl. shipping) for one release! Ouch!

Half the price of the "Complete Indiana Jones CD Collection"!

[rough cut 1,714]

Yeah, it’s beginning to be really expensive to be a (soundtrack) collector. Each time I place an order, I end up spending +100 euros.

 

I’ll soon need to cut down on my cigars!

[Smaug The Iron 516]

6 minutes ago, filmmusic said:

73,95 euros at music box records (incl. shipping) for one release! Ouch!

That is about 12 Euros more than if you buy it from La La Land itself 

[Richard Penna 3,694]

36 minutes ago, King Mark said:

Luckily were near the end of the road for Williams releases of important scores , and Indy and SW probably won't be by specially labels, but I worry about stuff like Tintin,BFG...

 

It feels almost like a miracle we got Harry Potter and the Jurassic Park scores out of the way.  

 

Fuck yes. Particularly with WB shutting shop it's astonishing that we were able to get JP and HP done to the standard that they were. Imagine if LLL had only done the first Potter score to start with and we were waiting for PoA (the one we all wanted most) and then WB did its thing. Disaster scenario there.

 

Although 'worry' and 'BFG' don't quite compute for me. I think there are many scores by others that need expanded treatment a lot more than that does right now.

[Holko 9,529]

2 minutes ago, Smaug The Iron said:

That is about 12 Euros more than if you buy it from La La Land itself 

And if you count in the additional customs and VAT and handling and general hassle with the post?

[bollemanneke 3,349]

Imagine HP4 being finished and just not approved by those terribly busy morons.

[filmmusic 1,837]

5 minutes ago, Smaug The Iron said:

That is about 12 Euros more than if you buy it from La La Land itself 

Oh, really? I thought it would be much cheaper ordering from LLL.

But I wouldn't risk it paying at customs. (and the broken cases I usually get from LLL)

[Richard Penna 3,694]

7 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

Imagine HP4 being finished and just not approved by those terribly busy morons.

 

Assuming Doyle would've known about it, it wasn't as of June 2020, but now three years down the line, so who knows.

 

 

[Chewy 2,391]

Some words from Maurizio on FSM:

 

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It's still early to reveal all the backstory and all the insight about the music and how this release has come together, but everything (and I mean *everything*) will be revealed at some point. The liner notes will have already a general account of all this, but for a proper deep dive about everything HOOK check on The Legacy of John Williams soon 

 

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There is a large amount of incorrect information and even urban legend (mostly based on fans' speculation, but also a few odd remarks from the artists themselves) that has circulated for decades about the Peter Pan project Spielberg announced in 1985, but also a lot of wrong assumptions about how Hook and its score came together. As I said, pretty much the whole story will be told soon, but the desire of the producers of this new release right now is letting people discover the whole thing and enjoy the embarrassment of riches it offers. There will come the time for going into the nitty-gritty of everything

 

 

And information from Mike about the sources used for this release:

 

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Every bit of it transferred from analog scoring masters with the exception of two song demos from DAT tape.

 

https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=3&threadID=152698&archive=0

[Trent B 337]

Hell yeah! Although I’m a little concerned with “The Ultimate War” being the film version. Well the “The End Of Hook” isn’t labeled “Film Version” so that might contain the full ending of the track and not have it a fake ending like on last release. 
 

I’m sure it’s going to be fine. 

[blondheim 1,157]

It’s going to be fine, confirmed.

[Jay 37,369]

22 minutes ago, Trent B said:

I’m a little concerned with “The Ultimate War” being the film version. 

 

It's called "(Film Version)" because it includes the two Inserts that were not on the original soundtrack album version, not because it retains film edits or anything like that. 

 

 

22 minutes ago, Trent B said:

the “The End Of Hook” isn’t labeled “Film Version” so that might contain the full ending of the track and not have it a fake ending like on last release.

 

There's a sample of it you can listen to on LLL's website. 

[rough cut 1,714]

Can’t wait to read the booklet and discover which tracks were ghost written…

 

No, I’m not talking about William Ross, I’m talking about the king of pop himself, Michael Jackson! 😅

[MrJosh 892]

It's sad that Bricusse is no longer with us, but so great that his lyrics to the songs will now be preserved in this set. 

[John F 100]

3 hours ago, Jay said:

 

It's not.

Thanks Jay!

[CompleteRecordingSessions 43]

I’m so excited to hear the calliope version of ‘Take Me Out To The Ball Game!’