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I deny it.

It’s 2019 and people are still whinging that RJ didn’t have a spotting session with JW. Boo hoo, it really had no detrimental effect on the final product. That was just his way of doing things. He even produced a isolated score version of the film, confirming his disdain for JW and his music. I love both TFA and TLJ and they both contain a lot of awesome stuff. “Rey’s Theme” obviously trumps anything written for TLJ but the action music written for TLJ is far superior, heck, that whole “Escape” cue is some of the most exhilarating action music JW has written this century. I do kinda agree on the overuse of the Force Theme.

With the final shot being the raising of a new FO flag with a familiar mouse design, scored, of course, to When you Wish upon a Star.

Mattris, dear friend, I think you cracked the case. Allow me to explain. Johnny, roll the tape as I connect the dots. All of the evidence you need is in the Snoke torture scene in The Last Jedi. When Snoke is torturing Rey, you hear the Emperor's Theme. At the time of release, everyone was puzzled as to why Williams would use that theme. But of course, the answer was in the scene itself. Look at Rey, listen to her. Obviously, she's in pain, but perhaps the source of the pain is not as obvious as you would first think. Johnson, being a master subverter, distracted us from the truth, which lies in the answer to this question: when is the only time you see and hear a woman in that kind of pain. When they're in labor, of course. Snoke was using his Force powers to prevent Rey's birthing of a child, but you have to ask: why would Snoke prevent Rey from giving birth? It wasn't to protect his apprentice Kylo Ren from having his illusion of an "untainted" Rey shattered. No, it was because Snoke knew, he knew that the child Rey would spawn would be a grave, serious threat to him and his supremacy. Now, who, _who_, would you ask, ever pose such a threat to Snoke, such a threat that he felt no choice but to suppress the child in Rey's womb? Well, the answer to that question was answered by none other than John Williams, in that very moment. But with Snoke dead, now no one can stop Rey from bearing this child. Once this plot thread plays out, the sequel trilogy will magically make sense, every shortcoming, every flaw the previous two films had will be wiped clean, and the trilogy will be saved.

Jim Titus BTS post: https://www.behance.net/gallery/76988997/40-YEARS-The-Music-of-Superman-Part-I?fbclid=IwAR2_OAM4av5mW2E5nCKelryI9xJRSGC9JyTAWyL7mQMHoVWpgDTfaXgC5Rc

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Speaking of music, can anyone hear the similarity between Rey's Theme (her main theme) and The Emperor's Theme? I don't think this is a coincidence. John Williams knows something!

I bet she's related to R2-D2.

It’s funny, there seems to be a general dislike for March of the Villains on the JW forum, but it’s one my favourite marches in Williams’ oeuvre.

Quite. Third Date This is my most played new score in quite some time

You smoke good stuff man!

Well if we're now drawing those types of conclusions, I'd like to throw it out there that the gungans in Augie's Municipal Band, based on musical parallels, are most certainly the creation of Palpatine.

Aww what is he, shy? If we can get a picture of Julia Roberts in a thong we can certainly get an interview with this weirdo. Put an ad on the front page. "Cash money for an interview with Vangelis". He doesn't want to be famous? I'll make him infamous!

For the blind ambition of a mountain-kin...oops, wrong franchise!

That's my cue! Thank you @ATXHusker for the update! Exciting!

Sure if you want to get really nitty gritty. But the prequels seem like they have a lot more long term planning behind them (minus details) than the sequel flicks, which are just like "make a movie by next Christmas and we'll figure out what happens when we make the next one!"

I hope Rey mentions finding her parents between TLJ and IX, and it smash cuts to a pair of skeletons hanging in the Falcon’s cape closet holding bottles of space booze

That's exactly why. There's no reason for it, other than "well, that's the way it was before." And surely, someone can think of a plot twist in Star Wars which doesn't have to do with familial ties! Its really stupid.

No, he was a vessel for Rian Johnson to say what I thought since she showed up in The Force Awakens, which is that the idea that Rey is related to any established character in the Star Wars films is friggin' stupid. it undermines her rags-to-riches journey, it diminishes the expanse of this world, its a cheap repeat of the twist of The Empire Strikes Back, and - given how young she was when she was orphaned - it adds not one-bit to her actual character. If I begrudge this reveal in any way, its because its too obvious a plot-point to make a big twist out of it.

Let me give you my perspective on Williams and his "decline"... I'm in my mid-30's now and I already often feel like I'm running out of energy. Williams wrote his first Star Wars score in his mid-40's... 42 years ago! And now he's still writing them and they are both twice as long as that first one. So, if you think about it, he wrote, 4 times the amount of music in those couple of years for two films with another one coming out soon. After 40+ years it's quite a normal thing to take Williams' contributions for granted and, yeah, they are probably not as "fresh" anymore. But the fact itself that we're still getting music quite this good is amazing. They might be bit underwhelming if you put them in context of his larger body of work by, make no mistake, this is highly accomplished music and any of his colleagues would agree. One of my first reactions to hearing some of the busier passages in The Last Jedi while attending the midnight showing was: "That doesn't sound like a guy in his mid-80's. Is he doing coke now?" 😂 Karol

F.A.Q.: FYC? What's that stand for? For Your Consideration. Basically, Disney setup a website where eligible voters for the various awards that are given out around the end of the year could learn where they could attend a screening of their films; See which awards the films were pushing for, and listen to selections of the score for Best Score nominations. For some films, the music on FYC websites is the same as their OST programs; for others it was different! So the music here is different than the album? Yes! Some tracks are almost the same, but the structure of the FYC program is fundamentally different; It is a selection of music from the movie exactly as it appears in the final cut of the film, even if the music used in the film was edited from Williams' original intentions. This could mean that a track might contain an Insert Williams later wrote, where the OST presented his original version; or a track might contain less music than its OST counterpart of the scene was re-edited after the recording of the music, or even a track might contain some music artificially looped or stretched if a scene got lengethened after scoring. The FYC always reflects these non-intended conforms to final picture from start to finish. Also, the FYC presentation seems to favor cues featuring original music over ones featuring a lot of returning themes, at least until the end. So does the FYC contain the complete score? No; The film has about 101 minutes of music in it. The FYC is only 68 minutes long. Which tracks contain music that wasn't on the OST? Well that's a complicated question. Sometimes an ENTIRE track is made up of music not on the OST (Finn's Trek, The Resistance, The Bombing Run). Sometimes an FYC track contains the full, original cues that Williams chose to microedit on the OST (the Attack on the Jakku Village tracks, the End Credits). Sometimes the FYC tracks contain a cue that wasn't on the OST at all, joined up with a cue that was (On The Inside, The Ways of the Force). And sometimes comparing the FYC to OST version of a track is confusing and takes some time to unravel every last difference (I Can Fly Anything, Follow Me and The Falcon). Where can I find this FYC? http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/#/star-wars/music I don't see a download link there; How do I download the files from Disney's site? UPDATE: Disney has removed the files from their server as of September 2016. Got a track list handy so I can re-name and properly tag my files? 01 The Attack on the Jakku Village Part 1 (5:27) 02 The Attack on the Jakku Village Part 2 (1:53) 03 The Scavenger (1:52) 04 Lunchtime (1:12) 05 I Can Fly Anything (4:09) 06 Finn’s Trek (1:35) 07 Follow Me and The Falcon (7:09) 08 The Rathtars (1:19) 09 Snoke (2:07) 10 You Got A Name? (1:32) 11 I’m No Hero (1:06) 12 The Starkiller (1:52) 13 Kylo Ren Arrives at the Battle (2:15) 14 The Resistance (1:35) 15 The Abduction (1:35) 16 Finn and Poe, United (2:01) 17 The Bombing Run (2:07) 18 On the Inside (2:54) 19 Torn Apart (4:24) 20 The Ways of the Force (3:58) 21 The Journey Home (2:18) 22 Farewell and The Trip (3:49) 23 The Jedi Steps and Finale (9:58) TOTAL TIME - 1:08:07 That's a really low bitrate; Is there any chance its available uncompressed somewhere? Disney should be mailing out pressed physical CDs with the FYC program to Academy music department voters sometime soon. Usually not long after that, they begin turning up on ebay, and not long after that, lossless rips appear online. NOTE: It is against the board's rules to ask for a lossless rip in the public forum. Use the PM System or go to other websites for that discussion! Posts asking for illegal downloads will be deleted! OK, so apart from the different EDITS and LOW COMPRESSION of the FYC on the website, is the MIX of the music any different? Yes! The FYC seems to be the mix as made on the recording stage to be put into the film, and sounds GREAT! The OST has had some reverb and other tinkering done to it (nothing out of the ordinary), as well as having less dynamic range and overall being louder. Essentially, it is up to your own personal preference which mix you like better! So when I begin editing my own custom expanded edit, should I favor the OST or FYC? That's up to your personal preference. The FYC features the film mix, but isn't available in lossless. The OST is uncompressed, but has been mastered for home listening. The OST has edits Williams made for listening experience, while the FYC has edits made to conform to a changing cut of the film. In short: Everyone will follow a different paradigm and everyone's fan edit will be different. Do whatever makes you happiest! Anything else? Enjoy the music! Initial, simple breakdown (Does not cover every minor bit of different music, just the significant portions): FYC 01 The Attack on the Jakku Village Part 1 (5:27) [all] (5:27) = OST 01 [1:26-5:03] (3:37) Main Title and The Attack on the Jakku Village FYC 02 The Attack on the Jakku Village Part 2 (1:53) [all] (1:53) = OST 01 [5:03-end] (1:22) Main Title and The Attack on the Jakku Village FYC 03 The Scavenger (1:52) [all] (1:52) = OST 02 [0:36-2:21] The Scavenger FYC 04 Lunchtime (1:12) [all] (1:12) = OST02 [2:21-end] The Scavenger FYC 05 I Can Fly Anything (4:09) [0:00-1:00] (1:00) = Unreleased [1:00-end] (3:09) = OST 05 [0:30-end] (2:24) I Can Fly Anything FYC 06 Finn’s Trek (1:35) [all] (1:35) = Unreleased FYC 07 Follow Me and The Falcon (7:09) [0:00-3:09] (3:09) = OST 05 Follow Me (2:54) [3:09-end] (4:00) = OST 07 The Falcon (3:32) FYC 08 The Rathtars (1:19) [all] (1:19) = OST 09 [1:22-2:13] The Rathtars! FYC 09 Snoke (2:07) [0:00-1:02] = OST 17 Snoke [0:00-1:02] [1:02-end] (1:05) = Unreleased FYC 10 You Got A Name? (1:32) [0:00-0:45] (0:45) = Unreleased [0:45-end] (0:47) = OST 10 [1:17-end] (0:51) Finn's Confession FYC 11 I’m No Hero (1:06) [all] (1:06) = OST 10 [0:00-0:52] (0:52) Finn's Confession FYC 12 The Starkiller (1:52) [all] (1:52) = OST 12 The Starkiller (1:51) FYC 13 Kylo Ren Arrives at the Battle (2:15) [all] (2:15) = OST 13 Kylo Ren Arrives At The Battle (2:01) FYC 14 The Resistance (1:35) [all] (1:35) = Unreleased FYC 15 The Abduction (1:35) [all] (1:35) = OST 14 [0:56-end] (1:29) The Abduction FYC 16 Finn and Poe, United (2:01) [all] (2:01) = OST 15 [1:13-2:52] (1:39) Han and Leia FYC 17 The Bombing Run (2:07) [all] (2:07) = Unreleased FYC 18 On the Inside (2:54) [0:00-0:48] (0:48) = Unreleased [0:48-end] (2:06) = OST 18 [0:03-end] (2:02) On The Inside FYC 19 Torn Apart (4:24) [all] (4:24) = OST 19 Torn Apart (4:19) FYC 20 The Ways of the Force (3:58) [0:00-1:20] (1:20) = Unreleased [1:20-end] (2:38) = OST 20 [0:45-end] (2:20) The Ways Of The Force FYC 21 The Journey Home (2:18) [all] (2:18) = OST 22 [0:00-2:05] (2:05) Farewell and The Trip FYC 22 Farewell and The Trip (3:49) [0:00-1:10] = OST 04 [0:00-1:10] (1:10) Rey Meets BB-8 [1:10-end] (2:39) = OST 22 [2:13-end] (2:42) Farewell and The Trip FYC 23 The Jedi Steps and Finale (9:58) [0:00-6:53] (6:54) = OST 23 [0:00-6:59] (6:59) The Jedi Steps and Finale [6:53-8:05] (1:12) = OST 16 [tbd-tbd] (tbd) March of the Resistance [8:05-end] (1:53) = OST 23 [6:59-end] (1:53) The Jedi Steps and Finale So roughly 15 1/2 minutes of unreleased music! Add that to the OST and roughly 92 1/2 minutes of the score has been released so far! Simple FYC/OST Combo Playlist, no Editing Required OST 06 Rey's Theme (3:11) OST 16 March of the Resistance (2:35) OST 21 Scherzo for X-Wings (2:32) FYC 01 The Attack on the Jakku Village Part 1 (5:27) FYC 02 The Attack on the Jakku Village Part 2 (1:53) OST 02 The Scavenger (3:39) OST 04 Rey Meets BB-8 (1:31) FYC 05 I Can Fly Anything (4:09) FYC 06 Finn’s Trek (1:35) FYC 07 Follow Me and The Falcon (7:09) OST 08 That Girl with the Staff (1:58) OST 09 The Rathtars! (4:05) FYC 09 Snoke (2:07) FYC 10 You Got A Name? (1:32) FYC 11 I'm No Hero (1:06) OST 11 Maz's Counsel (3:07) FYC 12 The Starkiller (1:52) FYC 13 Kylo Ren Arrives at the Battle (2:15) FYC 14 The Resistance (1:35) OST 14 The Abduction (2:25) OST 15 Han and Leia (4:41) OST 17 Snoke (2:03) FYC 17 The Bombing Run (2:07) FYC 18 On The Inside (2:54) FYC 19 Torn Apart (4:24) OST 20 The Ways of the Force (3:15) OST 22 Farewell And The Trip (4:55) FYC 23 The Jedi Steps and Finale (9:58) TOTAL TIME - 1:30:00 Some notes: I like the concert arrangements first but you could certainly put them after instead Obviously the main title isn't here, but I don't mind. I've been listening to that piece for 20 years and don't need to hear it everytime I listen to this score. Obviously if you can't live without it, you can use OST track 1 instead of FYC tracks 1 and 2. For "The Way of the Force", I went with the OST version to get the great music for Rey getting the saber. The FYC version replaces that bit with the music for the X-Wings attack, which is great but since we have similar music in the Sherzo track it was easy to keep the OST version. For "The Starkiller", and "Torn Apart" you could swap in the OST version if you prefer. Torn Apart has a softer ending on album than the FYC version OST Track 10 Finn's Confession can replace FYC tracks 10 and 11 if you prefer that album arrangement with the Arrival at Takadona music. Longer Chronological Edit of OST + FYC, In-Track Editing Required: THE SCORE OST 01A [0:00-1:26] (1:26) Main Title / FYC 01 The Attack on the Jakku Village Part 1 (5:27) FYC 02 The Attack on the Jakku Village Part 2 (1:53) OST 02 The Scavenger (3:39) FYC 05 I Can Fly Anything (4:09) FYC 06 Finn’s Trek (1:35) OST 08B [0:35-1:11] (0:36) "Stolen Jacket" FYC 07 Follow Me and The Falcon (7:09) OST 08A [0:00-0:35] "Finn, I'm Rey" OST 08C [1:11-end] "The Droid Stole A Freigher?" OST 09 The Rathtars! (4:05) FYC 09 Snoke (2:07) OST 10B [0:52-1:17] (0:25) "Arrival At Takodana" FYC 10 You Got A Name? (1:32) OST 04B [1:10-end] (0:21) "Informants" OST 11A [0:00-1:21] (1:21) "Maz Examines Finn" FYC 11 I’m No Hero (1:06) OST 11B [1:21-end] (1:46) "Maz and Rey" FYC 12 The Starkiller (1:52) FYC 13 Kylo Ren Arrives at the Battle (2:15) or OST 13 if you prefer its version of Kylo's Theme in the middle FYC 14 The Resistance (1:35) OST 14 The Abduction (2:25) note that FYC 15 has an alternate ending if you prefer it OST 15 Han and Leia (4:41) OST 17B [1:02-end] (1:01) "Bring Her To Me" FYC 17 The Bombing Run (2:07) FYC 18 On The Inside (2:54) FYC 19 Torn Apart (4:24) OST 20A [0:00-0:45] (0:45) "Rey Gets The Lightsaber" / FYC 20 The Ways of the Force (3:58) FYC 21 The Journey Home (2:18) FYC 22 Farewell and The Trip (3:49) FYC 23 The Jedi Steps and Finale (9:58) ALBUM ARRANGEMENTS OST 06 Rey's Theme (3:11) OST 16 March of the Resistance (2:35) OST 21 Scherzo for X-Wings (2:32) Custom Cover Art: These are not made by me; I found them online. Click to embiggen! FYC / OST Comparison spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rDuRXT-67ETwF2cy4lNkgp5AV_QcIDivxUwCLtLOGfg/pubhtml Simple Comparison available now; Detailed Comparison is a Work In Progress. ALL UPDATES / CORRECTIONS WELCOME!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Original Main Post ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ HOLY CRAP!!!! FYC SITE IS LIVE WITH MUSIC NOT ON THE OST!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.waltdisneystudiosawards.com/#/star-wars/music

Or the other way round. I am inspired to create this thread by one of the single greatest timed music/cuts. The cut here at 1:03 is just sensational. Start watching at 0:47 to see it in context. Other good ones in recent times - Start watching at 6:49. There's a great cut at 7:17 and then again another one at 7:29. Starting at 0:33. The cut at 1:07 from the chairs to the house flying reduced me to blubbering puddle and I did not recover till the end of the movie. Gia wielding his baton like a cudgel here to make audiences weep. Starting at 1:17, the cut at 1:35 is magnificent. Any other great timed music/cuts?

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If Episode IX is the conclusion of an entire 9 movie saga, can it have half a dozen false endings, too, only to read the same people who crucified ROTK over it, defend it to death this time?

Eleven Eleven by Danny Elfman Quite a strong violin concerto. It drew me in from the opening notes, and pretty much every minute offered something to enjoy. The third movement, Fantasma, is particularly excellent. My sole criticism is that it is a tad too long and thus a bit difficult to program. Definitely a piece that I will revisit regularly. Hooten Plays Williams The recording of the Trumpet Concerto on here is exquisite. Certainly better than the rather harsh Sandoval recording. I do still like the Harjanne recording, but Williams really brings out the richness of the orchestral writing here, especially in the second movement. Hooten's playing is also most solid. The Lost World by John Williams A revelation of a score. Percussion tour de force. Ahead of its time, really, and better than what it anticipated. There are layers to this one, that invite unraveling. Skyfall by Thomas Newman Pretty good. The driving percussion tracks get quite monotonous, at least for me. But, there are several standout tracks where Newman weaves a unique texture that is very much him and very much Bond.

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Its not the unoriginality of it, necessarily: but we have enough threads running through the sequel trilogy which lift from the original films: the Jedi, the Dark Side, the First Order as a offshoot of the Empire, Stormtroopers, Kylo being a descendant of Vader, returning characters: Rey being related to a previous character may just be one too many. I think the story of an orphan from "nowhere" becoming a leading figure in the struggle against evil and a master of her craft is an interesting one; and while Rey is puzzlingly all-powerful, internally she's filled with self-doubt and incredulity at her own abilities. Making her not a nobody will diminish her journey, as such. And because she was abandoned by her parents at such a young age, the identity of her parent wouldn't actually change our understanding of her character: Suppose she's - say - a Kenobi, will that in any way inform our understanding of Rey's personality? No, it won't. And like I said, characters are only so compelling as the story they find themselves in. So the attempt to weave the two trilogies together via famlial ties rather than ties of story and theme is really a cheap trick.

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FYI: La-la land records is celebrating their 17th anniversary very soon, and based on previous anniversaries they might offer a site-wide discount.

Its not wierd, actually: its percisely how the first three Star Wars films were made. No planning whatsoever. Most trilogies are like that: its more financially responsible, and gives some artistic leeway to change direction between entries. With Rowling, I believe the story was prefigured in her mind, at least in broad brushstrokes. Some of the payoffs feel too perfect to have been improvised. With Jackson, he literally wrote, previsualized, shot and assembled the whole thing at once. That's the ultimate, and this new Star Wars trilogy would have been better off, had it been made that way. However, because it wasn't, one has to deal with it, and judge this trilogy for what it is: three separate, albeit interconnected, movies.

Hey how about that young Oingo Boingo bloke? He could do it!

I am somewhere between you and the naysayers - in TLJ it does feel like every semi-inspirational speech or minor turning event gets the Force theme.

March of the Villains fits with Luthor's character, but when it enters the score it just sounds so out of place. I prefer Ottman's Luthor theme in Superman Returns, a bit more menacing and powerful...

I’m serious, I was afraid of everything that were related to aliens, well, except Star Wars, because there was no aliens in Star Wars, just puppets (hahaha). I was also afraid of the song Funky Town because I though it was sang by aliens! Well, these are things hard to explain... Born in 74... that’s it! I made terrible nightmares because of this LP cover that I saw at my grand parents house!

There's another moment in that scene from JP after the chopper lands and JW clutches his cane. That whole scene is a perfect marriage of visuals and music. I miss Steven Spielberg and JW.

I hope the twist in Episode 9 is that the First Order wins and destroys the resistance.

Final batch of E.T. already? Dang that didn't take that long. https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?pageID=53&forumID=1&threadID=118900&archive=0

CC's review: http://www.filmtracks.com/titles/how_dragon3.html

Id rather go to the Wizarding World

Viktor's Tale is much better.

This. Exactly this.

They probably FORCED him to use it!

The Elder Scrolls 3 Morrowind is free through the end of the month for PC. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.polygon.com/platform/amp/2019/3/25/18280778/morrowind-free-elder-scrolls-25th-anniversary

Nothing, I stirred the tanks.

That entire sequence is utter nightmare fuel. Williams did good.

I'm really glad to contribute. Working on my edit right now!

I always do scans when I share so yes!

I intend to share. But the disk has to be lossless first. So we will see when I get it.