Dial of Destiny: "Huge score" with 2 hours of music, 60+ cues, according to Mangold

[crumbs 12574]

This is a fun tweet Jim Mangold just dropped! 

 

He's written and conducted 2 hours of brilliant music, at least 60+ cues. Maybe there are one or two small pieces left behind but it's a huge score and 99% in the film.

— Mangold (@mang0ld) December 19, 2022

 

Let the speculation begin! 

[artguy360 1669]

Excellent! Now, how much will be on the OST?

[Bounty95 448]

22 minutes of original music and 9 minutes of classical music. 

[Marian Schedenig 6213]

No wonder he didn't have more time for The Fabelmans… 

[Edmilson 4472]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but 2 hours of music and 60 cues is less than what he wrote for each movie in the Sequel Trilogy, right?

[BrotherSound 1831]

7 minutes ago, Edmilson said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but 2 hours of music and 60 cues is less than what he wrote for each movie in the Sequel Trilogy, right?

Williams happened to mention exact counts for each sequel trilogy film in interviews: 174 minutes for TFA, 184 minutes for TLJ, and 226 minutes for TROS.

 

It’s hard to precisely measure how many cues he wrote (how significant does a revision or insert need to be to count separately?), but there’s around 100 unique titles for each film.

 

So, if these figures are accurate, it appears things were rather more straightforward this time.

[Bellosh 1715]

CAN'T F*CKING WAIT

[King Mark 3176]

so I'll be  50% unreleased music

[Edmilson 4472]

4 minutes ago, King Mark said:

so I'll be  50% unreleased music

Maybe not. If there is 2 hours of music and the OST is 75 minutes long, then there'd be 45 minutes (37.5%) of unreleased material.

 

I think the worst-case scenario is that, out of 75 minutes in the album, 15 minutes are for period songs or classical music, leaving the OST with only 60 minutes of original score - half of the amount of recorded music unreleased.

[Tom 3363]

1 hour ago, Edmilson said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but 2 hours of music and 60 cues is less than what he wrote for each movie in the Sequel Trilogy, right?

Yes, though the number of cues is less important than minutes of music.   My guess is several of these cues run together for longer runs in the film itself, but it is easier to record them in small chunks.  

[Richard Penna 2486]

The question we all want to know: will Mangold convince JW to do a 2-CD set with the almost complete score?

 

Or more realistically, allow him to do a 75-minute f*cked around CD, then release the entire thing digitally.

[JohnnyD 1107]

2 hours ago, crumbs said:

This is a fun tweet Jim Mangold just dropped! 

 

 

 

[MrJosh 646]

Wow, months before an OST and I'm already excited about having the expanded score in 20 years so I can have 7M4 Mutt's Noble End, 7M4 Rev Mutt's Noble End, 7M4 Rev Ver 2 Mutt's Noble End and 7M4 Rev Ver 2 (new ending - alt 2) complete!

[Tom 3363]

I think this score is destined to be great.  

[Bellosh 1715]

1 minute ago, Tom said:

I think this score is destined to be great.  

 

Let's dial that back, bud

[Jay 30919]

When Mangold says "left behind", does he mean "to be recorded" or "not used in the final cut"?

[Tom 3363]

21 minutes ago, Bellosh said:

 

Let's dial that back, bud

I spent a full minute trying to work the word "dial" into my statement (and failed).  Kudos!  

 

ps.  Jay's and my pictures are weirdly similar.  

[pete 697]

20 minutes ago, Jay said:

When Mangold says "left behind", does he mean "to be recorded" or "not used in the final cut"?

 

I assume "not be used" because he used the past tense "conducted and recorded" But I wonder if Williams has finished that extra little bit of scoring he mentioned in Italy?

[Jay 30919]

Yea looking at it again, I guess he says 99% in the film meaning most of what got recorded got used, but 1% of it wasn't needed in the final cut.

[BrotherSound 1831]

[Smeltington 1066]

Here's hoping Mangold inspires Williams to come up with something unexpected! I'm glad he's getting another chance to collaborate with someone besides Spielberg.

[Luke Skywalker 1429]

4 hours ago, Jay said:

Yea looking at it again, I guess he says 99% in the film meaning most of what got recorded got used, but 1% of it wasn't needed in the final cut.

Maybe the 1% is just the old finale…

[BB-8 1718]

Hope it's not 60+ min and 2 themes.

[Thor 5774]

I will never understand the obsession with amount of music (or, in fact, any cultural work), as if you're buying groceries and need to get your money's worth in sheer quantities. Personally, I'm looking forward to whatever he comes up with. Hopefully, a tad more interesting than INDY IV (which was decent, but still had issues), musically, but formed and shaped into a nice, flowing concept album. A few action setpieces scattered about, some old theme cameos, some romanticism (Helena's theme is already there), perhaps with a wistful ending to signal Williams' and Ford's (presumably) last entry in the series. Whether it's 40 or 70 minutes, I don't really care, as long it's concise and representative.

 

Seems to me that 2 hours of music is a great bank of raw material to choose from, in order to build something meaningful.

[Laserschwert 277]

99% used in the film at least sounds like the score isn't butchered too much in editorial.

[GerateWohl 2473]

10 hours ago, Edmilson said:

Maybe not. If there is 2 hours of music and the OST is 75 minutes long, then there'd be 45 minutes (37.5%) of unreleased material.

Don't forget, there might be extra concert arrangements of the major themes. Funnily it just came to my mind, that Indy 4 was the first Indy OST that actually contained special concert arrangements. Raiders had the Raider's March without Marion's Theme in the middle. The rest was heavily edited, but there was no note that didn't appear in the movie. Same for ToD and Last Crusade. At least as far as I know.

All the special concert arrangements were recorded afterwards for the three Williams/Spielberg collaboration albums.

[Cerebral Cortex 2842]

12 hours ago, King Mark said:

so I'll be  50% unreleased music

 

 

 

 

[Bryant Burnette 542]

[Richard Penna 2486]

2 hours ago, Thor said:

I will never understand the obsession with amount of music (or, in fact, any cultural work), as if you're buying groceries and need to get your money's worth in sheer quantities. Personally, I'm looking forward to whatever he comes up with.

 

When you buy groceries you're not expecting to buy the entire shop, whereas there is an entire two hour score which could reasonably be enjoyed on album.

 

But let's not get into all that again. We could easily get a curated OST and a 2 hour expanded digital release and everyone's happy.

[GerateWohl 2473]

4 hours ago, Thor said:

I will never understand the obsession with amount of music (or, in fact, any cultural work), as if you're buying groceries and need to get your money's worth in sheer quantities. Personally, I'm looking forward to whatever he comes up with. Hopefully, a tad more interesting than INDY IV (which was decent, but still had issues), musically, but formed and shaped into a nice, flowing concept album. A few action setpieces scattered about, some old theme cameos,...

From Williams himself we know that that he spends a whole day of his life on writing every two minutes of music. And every two minutes of this work are regarded by many of his fans as better than most and even sometimes the best that we get served by other composers.

In addition Williams proved in his recent releases, especially The Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker, that he unfortunately rather focusses of chosing the quotes and repetitions of his old themes than giving us mainly his new music. I don't know why. If I want to hear Yoda's Theme I listen to The Empire Strikes Back and not The Last Jedi or Rise of Skywalker. So, unless it is a very special variation, I don't expect these quotes to be included on the OST. But they are.

So, I hope that this time we don't run again into a situation, where everyone rather listens to the FYC and puts the OST unlistened to the collection and hopes to live long enough to experience in 20 years a C&C expansion of the score.

[Thor 5774]

What you describe is no problem to me. Williams is one of the best album producers of all time, and I'm confident he will find a way to whittle those 2 hours down to a beautiful concept album, whatever it may contain. If a C&C release appears down the line, for those who crave such things, that's no problem for me, as long as that OST has already been made with the standard we've come to expect.

[Naïve Old Fart 7496]

13 hours ago, Richard Penna said:

The question we all want to know: will Mangold convince JW to do a 2-CD set with the almost complete score?

Not a snowball's chance, my friend.

[Jurassic Shark 9303]

It will be 4 LPs.

[Mr. Who 629]

Let’s hope that for the first? time, we’ll get 2 albums for DoD. One standard album plus a complete one so everybody gets what they want.

[A. A. Ron 832]

What is this gluttony? You’ll get a short album and a short FYC promo and you’ll like it!

[Bayesian 989]

8 minutes ago, A. A. Ron said:

What is this gluttony? You’ll get a short album and a short FYC promo and you’ll like it!

And the Raiders March will be programmed twice in both of them. As it should be, you ingrates.

[blondheim 1020]

You will suffer the way we have always suffered.

 

This is the way.

[Antonb 114]

Thank goodness for that. A proper score, not whatever that was for the Fabelmans! Yes I will get my tin hat on!

[Martinland 229]

1 hour ago, blondheim said:

You will suffer the way we have always suffered.

 

This is the way.

It's our lot in life.

[Brando 856]

9 hours ago, Cerebral Cortex said:

 

 

Posting this here since some people might not be in the other thread, but Mangold did reply to this tweet:

[Brando 856]

@Joni Wiljami why the sad reaction??

[artguy360 1669]

I'm always excited for a new JW score, always excited when JW works with a new director, and especially excited for a new blockbuster score from JW at this late stage of his career!

[Joni Wiljami 1163]

26 minutes ago, Brando said:

@Joni Wiljami why the sad reaction??

 

I'm always bad with the reactions, I would be so happy if that will ever happen, would make me cry like with the wonderful " score only" Last Jedi thing!!! Tears of happiness...

[Brando 856]

2 hours ago, Joni Wiljami said:

 

I'm always bad with the reactions, I would be so happy if that will ever happen, would make me cry like with the wonderful " score only" Last Jedi thing!!! Tears of happiness...

Ohhhhhh, I was like I didn’t think anyone would complain about that, I understand now

[Tom 3363]

We just need variants of the crying emoji.  Maybe one just for sadness and anger over various the nature of various JW releases.  Should we have a poll of which JWfanner's likeness we should use for that one?  

[Brando 856]

18 minutes ago, Tom said:

We just need varients of the crying emoji.  Maybe one just for sadness and anger over various the nature of various JW releases.  Should we have a poll of which JWfanner's likeness we should use for that one?  

I think we all would also benefit from a facepalm emoji

[Michael Grigorowitsch 366]

I would VASTLY prefer a score-only film version to a more comprehensive album.

[Bespin 6818]

We'll get a 70 minutes OST, starting with The Raiders March, then by the 4 Concert Suites especially written for the album, then a dozen cues from the score in a non-chronological order.  

[Stark 179]

I say the more suites the better, it means more music written!

[Tom 3363]

37 minutes ago, Bespin said:

We'll get a 70 minutes OST, starting with The Raiders March, then by the 4 Concert Suites especially written for the album, then a dozen cues from the score in a non-chronological order.  

with the 4 suites being The Adventures of Mutt, Marion's Theme, Scherzo for Motorcycle, and The Basket Game.