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I've seen a lot of people wishing that the old themes had been used more and then others saying that they were used quite frequently because the themes appeared in multiple moments, are present in cues X,Y,Z etc. I think what most people who wished for more usage of the old themes are saying is that they wish the themes had been more present and more involved in the musical fabric of the film. People of course may have different interpretations of how that is achieved. For me at least, that means that, for one, themes aren't just reprised briefly and verbatim and then discarded with for the rest of the cue. Yes, it's nice that Horner's theme is in there. It's neat that Elfman's Spidey and Responsibility themes are used. But if you quote them more or less directly in these very isolated ways, there's not much impact to really be had from them. Doc Ock's theme is in there, Goblin's theme is in there, but usually in these very brief statements that never fully state the theme and that never really feel like their power is fully-harnessed (the bridge fight with Ock being a bit of an exception IMO). It feels very surface-level. They're in there, they exist within the music of the film, but they don't really feel like they're woven into the score. And if you're gonna go to the trouble of having them back, why use them hardly at all? That's not to say there aren't cool variations of old themes, sure. But, I think something that goes a long ways is to have those themes actually interact with one another, not just exist in these standalone snippets. Young did this superbly in the climactic end fight of Spider-Man 3, even despite quite a few in-film edits that hack at the score. You have Sandman's theme building and then falling to make way for Spidey's theme before being interrupted by Venom's theme which transitions back to Sandman's theme into New Goblin's theme, etc. Themes play individually, sometimes together, but always in powerful and memorable ways that ebb and flow with a musical momentum that is mirrored on-screen, in addition to appearing based on who currently has the upper hand. The musical themes are an active part of the film and are working supplemental to the visuals to heighten the emotional response. They do not just appear briefly for a few seconds for mostly inconsequential impact. Some have argued that the final fight in NWH is edited in such a way that to do something similar musically for the climax would have been very messy, and I really don't think that's the case. The film if anything presents itself in a way to make such an approach easier, with villains kinda awkwardly being introduced one-by-one and never once being featured all at together. And, honestly, how great would it have been to have had all 3 Spidey themes weaving (webbing?) in and out of one another during the final fight? It's not impossible, it just takes effort and is admittedly harder. It's made all the more upsetting when Giacchino actually does this really well earlier in the film during the Strange/Spidey altercation. None of this is meant to come across as entitlement. It's Giacchino's score, he can do what he wants. He doesn't owe us anything. I think his heart was ultimately in the right place. He didn't have to bring back any of these themes, but it was cool he did and I'm happy for it. I'm more just trying to explain I think why people are disappointed with the usage of older themes from my own perspective. I also agree with the idea that, as this is Holland's film, his theme should, whether you like it or not, be front and center. But when you choose to beat us over the head with it in almost every major moment of potentially emotional consequence in the final act... ...It starts to lose its effectiveness. It becomes a Force theme/Last Jedi situation. You hear it so much that it doesn't really mean anything. And ideally a good theme allows you to forge this emotional connection to what it is the theme is representing, a connection that becomes undermined when it starts to be used for things the theme isn't meant to really represent on-screen.

Happy Christmas to ever single one of you (and also all the members not on here anymorefor various reasons). And happy holiday to your loved ones. 😊 Karol

Spent my Christmas morning drive listening to the complete Hoosiers! 🎄 🇺🇸

Harry's Wondrous World has to be the best example ever of how to spread themes and motifs around an Orchestra's instrument groups. I mean my god it's just one after the other of Williams giving every damn instrument group a solo workout to display the theme. Unbelievable.

Beck and company did an excellent job with this series, and he’s proving himself to be the best person out there at connecting other people’s themes.

Frohe Weihnachten!

Merry Christmas, ya filthy animals!

That’s a “Chirstmas Karol” if there ever was one! same to you and everyone too!

Coming December 23 at The Legacy of John Williams, an exclusive video event with the great Los Angeles studio musicians reuniting for the first time in years to celebrate John Williams. https://thelegacyofjohnwilliams.com/2021/12/16/announcing-la-studio-legends/ This is going to be very special. I hope you will tune in to watch this

For me, it's not only the overuse, but that I actually dislike Gia's Spider-Man theme. Of course Goblin's theme appears the most, he's the only villain here brought to do something. Well I guess the others are discovering about the death thing to motivate the plot. It's a pity they don't have Doc Ock surprised at the name "Dr Connors" lol

Silvestri writes (or sometimes writes) incredibly complex orchestral music, while Horner was absolutely unmatched at sheer emotion - so I put Silvestri for the first and Horner for the second.

Nollaig Chridheil, @Bespin.

Joyeux Noël les amis!

Happy Christmas everyone

It's a magical miracle. Will watch HA2 tomorrow. Keep the change, you filthy animal. Uncle Frank is great. PICK UP!

Merry Christmas to you Karol and to everyone celebrating today

We're doing a live commentary of the Rarities. TORN gets a little overzealous with their promos. I'll try to clarify on social media after holiday madness passes.

I'm taking a stand. Capaldi has the best Christmas specials. (Please bring back Christmas, RTD.)

I don't agree with all of it. But that was a really thoughtful post. @Cerebral Cortexthanks!

Last minute arrivals: Happy Christmas to me! Karol

Thanks everyone for the nice words! Consider it our Christmas gift to the fans FYI, the event will premiere Dec 23 at 8PM GMT / 3PM EST / 12PM PST at this link (and also mirrored on the Legacy of JW website). Of course it will remain available at any moment at the same link right after the premiere. Tim and I will be available in the live chat during the broadcast. We hope you will join us!

1968 - Heidi My Google Doc 1969 - The Reivers JWFan thread discussing the complete cue list 1969 - Goodbye, Mr. Chips Mike Matessino text interview by Neil Bulk on the FSM Edition, March 2006 (1) Mike Matessino text interview by Neil Bulk on the FSM Edition, March 2006 (2) 1972 - The Cowboys Score Restore videos by Holko 1972 - The Poseidon Adventure Mike Matessino audio interview by Maurizio Cashetto and Tim Burden on the La-La Land edition, December 2019 1974 - The Sugarland Express My Google Doc 1974 - Earthquake Mike Matessino audio interview by Maurizio Cashetto and Tim Burden on the La-La Land edition, December 2019 1974 - The Towering Inferno My Google Doc Mike Matessino audio interview by Maurizio Cashetto and Tim Burden on the La-La Land edition, December 2019 1975 - Jaws My Google Doc Tim Burden and John Takis discuss Jaws (July, 2012) Mike Matessino text interview by me on the 40th Anniversary Intrada Edition, November 2015 JWFan thread discussing the complete cue list Music synced to picture by Disco Stu 1977 - Star Wars My Google Doc Unused music restored to picture by Faleel 1977 - Close Encounters of the Third Kind My Google Doc Mike Matessino text interview by me, November 2017 (includes brief Close Encounters discussion) Mike Matessino audio interview by Tim Burden for Cinematic Sound Radio on the 40th Anniversary La-La Land Edition, February 2018 Music synced to picture by Disco Stu 1978 - The Fury Tim Burden and John Takis discuss The Fury (March 2013) 1978 - Jaws 2 My Google Doc Mike Matessino text interview by me on the Intrada Expanded Edition, November 2015 1978 - Superman: The Movie My Google Doc Mike Matessino text interview by Neil Bulk on the FSM Blue Box, March 2008 Mike Matessino audio interview by Soundcheck, June 2013 Mike Matessino audio interview by Tim Burden for Cinematic Sound Radio, February 2018 (Includes brief Superman discussion) Mike Matessino audio interview by Maurizio Caschetto and Tim Burden on the 40th Anniversary La-La Land edition, February 2019 (part 1) Mike Matessino audio interview by Maurizio Caschetto and Tim Burden on the 40th Anniversary La-La Land edition, February 2019 (part 2) Mike Matessino text interview by Todd Gilchrist for Nerdist, June 2019 Score Restore videos by Faleel 1979 - Dracula My Google Doc Mike Matessino audio interview by Tim Burden on the Varese Deluxe Edition, November 2018 Score restore videos by Holko 1979 - 1941 My Google Doc Mike Matessino text interview by me on the 2011 La-La Land Expanded Edition, September 2011 1980 - The Empire Strikes Back JWFan thread discussing the complete cue list Unused music restored to picture by Faleel 1981 - Raiders of the Lost Ark A VERY OLD Google Doc Unused music restored to picture by Faleel 1982 - E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial My Google Doc Mike Matessino text interview by me on the 35th Anniversary Edition by La-la Land Records, November 2017 Mike Matessino audio interview by Tim Burden for Cinematic Sound Radio on the 35th Anniversary Edition by La-la Land Records, February 2018 Music synced to picture by Disco Stu 1983 - Return of the Jedi My Google Doc Unused music restored to picture by Faleel 1984 - Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom A VERY OLD Google Doc Unused music restored to picture by Faleel 1984 - The River My Google Doc Audio Interview by Maurizio Caschetto and Tim Burden, May 2020 Score restore videos by Disco Stu 1986 - SpaceCamp My Google Doc 1987 - Empire of the Sun My Google Doc Mike Matessino JWFan article on the 2014 La-La Land Records Expanded Edition (1) Mike Matessino JWFan article on the 2014 La-La Land Records Expanded Edition (2) Mike Matessino audio interview by Tim Burden, June 2014 Score restore videos by Holko 1989 - Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade My Google Doc 1989 - Always My Google Doc 1989 - Born on the Fourth of July My Google Doc 1990 - Stanley & Iris My Google Doc Mike Matessino text interview by me on the 2017 Varese Deluxe Edition, November 2017 1990 - Home Alone Mike Matessino text interview by me on the 2015 25th Anniversary Edition by La-La Land Records, November 2015 Score Restore videos by Holko 1991 - Hook Didier C. Deutsch text interview by me on the 2012 La-La Land Records Expanded Edition, March 2012 Didier C. Deutsch text interview by Olivier Soude on the 2012 La-La Land Records Expanded Edition, March 2012 Tim Burden interviews MV Gerhard and Matt Verboys on the LLL edition (March 2012) JWFan thread discussing the complete cue list 1991 - JFK My Google Doc 1992 - Far and Away My Google Doc Audio Interview by Maurizio Caschetto and Tim Burden, May 2020 1992 - Home Alone 2: Lost In New York My Google Doc Mike Matessino text interview by 'Kevin McCallister' on the Varese Deluxe Edition, February 2003 Score Restore videos by Holko 1993 - Jurassic Park My Google Doc Mike Matessino audio interview by The Jurassic Park Podcast on the 2016 La-La Land Records Expanded Edition, December 2016 Mike Matessino text interview by me on the 2016 La-La Land Records Expanded Edition, November 2017 Music synced to picture by Mr. Breathmask JWFan thread discussing the complete cue list 1993 - Schindler's List My Google Doc 1995 - Sabrina My Google Doc 1997 - Rosewood My Google Doc 1997 - The Lost World: Jurassic Park My Google Doc Mike Matessino text interview by me on the 2016 La-La Land Expanded Edition, November 2017 Music restored to picture by Mr. Breathmask JWFan thread discussing the complete cue list Mike Matessino and me on the Legacy of John Williams for the 2023 reissue 1997 - Amistad My Google Doc Mike Matessino and me on the Legacy of John Williams for the 2022 expansion 2001 - A.I. Artificial Intelligence My Google Doc Mike Matessino text interview by me on the 2015 La-La Land Records Expanded Edition, June 2015 Score Restore videos by Holko 2001 - Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone My Google Doc Mike Matessino audio interview by Tim Burden on on the La-La Land edition, November 2018 Score restore videos by Holko 2002 - Attack of the Clones My Google Doc 2002 - Minority Report My Google Doc Score restore videos by Chewy 2002 - Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets My Google Doc Mike Matessino audio interview by Tim Burden on on the La-La Land edition, December 2018 Score restore videos by Holko 2004 - Harry Potter and the Prisoner Of Azkaban My Google Doc Mike Matessino audio interview by Tim Burden on on the La-La Land edition, December 2018 Score restore videos by ragoz350 2004 - The Terminal My Google Doc 2005 - War of the Worlds My Google Doc 2005 - Memoirs of a Geisha My Google Doc 2008 - Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull My Google Doc 2011 - War Horse My Google Doc 2012 - Lincoln My Google Doc 2013 - The Book Thief My Google Doc 2015 - Star Wars: The Force Awakens My Google Doc 2017 - The Post My Google Doc Score restore videos by Disco Stu 2019 - Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker My Google Doc 2022 - The Fabelmans My Google Doc 2023 - Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny My Google Doc Miscellanea Future Proofing The Music of John Williams - Tim Burden interviews Mike Matessino (June 2018) Producing Soundtrack Albums: an Interview with Mike Matessino (part I) - David Collins interviews Mike Matessino (November 2018) Producing Soundtrack Albums: an Interview with Mike Matessino (part II) - David Collins interviews Mike Matessino (December 2018)

Ramin Djawadi is the composer for Ruben Fleischer's Uncharted adaptation: http://filmmusicreporter.com/2021/12/25/ramin-djawadi-scoring-ruben-fleischers-uncharted/ I just hope he'll use Greg Edmonson's classic theme from the games.

Sadly, no Someone asked in the FSM thread too, actually, but no one from LLL shared it there Maybe Jim Titus will add it to his behance page one day

@Jay Has the beautiful booklet cover (the one you're using for your avatar ) been published officially in high resolution? I'd like to use it for my digital rip!

Hawkeye 1x02 Hide and Seek I liked it! The Tracksuit Mafia is a really silly name for the bad guys. Is this a name from the comics or something they made up for the show? The excursion Clint had into the LARPer thing was kind of weird, felt like padding they'd add for a story they're telling via Disney+ series that they'd never do in a movie. I liked much more the scene where Kate tried to prove Jack is hiding something by fencing with him, though I thought the reveal that he had a butterscotch from his uncle's place was sort of strangely executed. I feel bad when these shows/movies do stories about people missing Christmas with their families to do superhero things so it's a bit of a strange angle they're taking with Clint doing that. Though I liked it when he let himself get captured to find out more, and how Kate figured out where he was and literally dropped in on them to end the episode!

Some more Hal Leonard Signature Editions score notes for the thread: Adventures on Earth: [The physicist in me still winces at JW's use of the phrase 'escape velocity'] Five Sacred Trees: The following HLSE publications have no JW notes in my copies: Dry Your Tears, Afrika (SATB/Children's Chorus edition) (HL08741511) Three Holiday Songs from Home Alone (SATB) (HL087400830) Theme from Sabrina (Violin/Piano) (HL00841382)

As much as I love Silvestri, I have to go with Horner. But both are/were wonderful composers.

LAYER CAKE Very entertaining film that became too convoluted at the end. However, when I rewatched it the confusion was cleared.up. Hard to catch on to all the characters and plot twists the.first.time

I've been defending Garfield for almost ten years. (Not to the point of actually seeing ASM2. I hear that's garbage.) Holland plays such an amazing character and is in such good movies. But Garfield is that SUUUPER pissed off Peter Parker from the 60's comics who lives to make the bad guys feel stupid. Ditko's Parker was much more of a nerd (a la Maguire). But Romita's Parker was kinda cool. And his downfall was that he had such a chip on his shoulder from early high-school that he never noticed that he actually had people around him. Problem is, Maguire's movies feel whole, but Garfield's movie (that I saw) doesn't. Which is too bad. Because if they had made a movie to go with Garfield's performance I would have loved it. And yes, Horner's score is achingly pretty.

Congratulations on this video @TownerFan and @mahler3, made for excellent Christmas Eve viewing! So many details to unpack, but two stand out. Firstly, I had no idea Williams' The Reivers was a replacement score (for Lalo Schifrin of all composers!) Secondly, that Williams never instructs his flutists on how to perform their solos (but, amusingly, is more than happy to demonstrate piano solos to his pianists ). Love that you're talking with Gloria Cheng and Randy Kerber, it would be amazing to get some perspective from the "current" generation of musicians whose collabs with JW are ongoing (and hopefully upcoming with Indy 5 and Fabelmans sessions!)

I wrote an article about this, haha. https://jurassicoutpost.com/empire-reveals-new-jurassic-world-dominion-atrociraptor-image-details I like the idea of having vicious Raptors back in the film, but I think it's funny how the director makes it sound like something that is new. It's how they used to be in these films! LOL. Before anyone asks, yes, Atrociraptor is a real dinosaur despite its amusing name. I comment how the image looks like something out of a James Bond movie, complete with a closing quip: "Do you think there’s just No Time To Die for Owen in this image, or is it an atrocity?". Yeah. I'm proud of that line.

I knew i should have watched no time to die already…. damn

If you look at the results bar chart (on a laptop, at least) it's clear that the voters are giving us the middle finger.

Oh, just remember me, the first movie was directed by The Wachowski brothers, and this new movie is directed by The Wachowski sisters, right? They are a big family.

Mark Gatiss has revealed that he and Steven Moffat have discussed how they'd go about writing a Bond if asked. Gatiss reckoned the return of a lighter approach would be a good idea for the future of 007 - 'They often react to the times, and the times are currently bleak as fuck. They need to have fun with it again, like when Roger Moore was Bond'.

Here's the youtube link to vol.2

The Yorktown Theme

I would have gone further. I think Beyond is one of his best works to date. I just love the Yorktown Theme, it gave me serious Goldsmith-TMP vibes.

Who knows, maybe something like that was recorded, and Watts asked for a rewrite. For any film, you can't blame what isn't used solely on the composer, the creation of a film score is a collaborative process

Black Adam looks like it could be an exciting new gig for James Newton Howard. He is not currently involved but since the director worked with him on Jungle Cruise this year (last year?), there could be a chance!

This performance comes to mind

When I saw the poster of Alien outside the theatre I thought I was going to see a tense actioner in space. I never expected 'horror'. Back then, Sci-fi to me meant 'adventures in space'. When John Hurt's stomach exploded I was in shock. That's how ambiguous the poster is, folks.

Look at Alien. It tells you nothing about the movie! Brilliant!

And 10 years later I bump this thread.. (pity it was not active). lately I follow a site (http://411posters.com/category/movie-posters/ ) which mentions upcoming movie poster releases (mostly of old films I think) and this may interest some. If I had the budget I'd buy it! https://bottleneckgallery.com/collections/frontpage/products/gabz-indiana-jones-trilogy-timed-edition

I'm not mad keen on the film, but I've always loved this poster: